[Shaun]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I suggest the person abusing their buttons needs to realize one of the very reasons they have social phobia, panic attacks and depression IS because they are doing shameful, sick, hurtful evil little things which (in their heart) they know contradict their moral compass.

how you can say this isn't homophobia is utterly laughable. You're utterly ridiculous, and the only one displaying any signs of a (mental) 'sickness' in this thread.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

After all, who are you to attack homophobes just because they are different?
Or are you a hypocrite?

This sums up the person many of you are debating.

[Grimnir]

Originally Posted by letmein

That makes absolutely no sense. Sex is not simply for reproduction. Are you saying that we should teach about condoms since they restrict reproduction?

You know, I swear, I don't think people think before they post.

what is wrong with you?

you quoted this one line of my post

i don't believe that any form of sex outside biological reproduction basic sex should be taught to children, likewise i don't believe religion should be taught in schools

then you said

That makes absolutely no sense. Sex is not simply for reproduction.

I NEVER SAID IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then you say

Are you saying that we should teach about condoms since they restrict reproduction?

WTF?!??! you put words in my mouth and they don't even make sense

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

what is wrong with you?

you quoted this one line of my post

i don't believe that any form of sex outside biological reproduction basic sex should be taught to children, likewise i don't believe religion should be taught in schools

then you said

That makes absolutely no sense. Sex is not simply for reproduction.

I NEVER SAID IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then you say

Are you saying that we should teach about condoms since they restrict reproduction?

WTF?!??! you put words in my mouth and they don't even make sense

I think everybody else understood what you meant!

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

what is wrong with you?

you quoted this one line of my post

i don't believe that any form of sex outside biological reproduction basic sex should be taught to children, likewise i don't believe religion should be taught in schools

then you said

That makes absolutely no sense. Sex is not simply for reproduction.

I NEVER SAID IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then you say

Are you saying that we should teach about condoms since they restrict reproduction?

WTF?!??! you put words in my mouth and they don't even make sense

Then you said... then you said... blah, blah, blah.

The fact is, there's more to sex than reproduction. You're saying if it doesn't include reproduction, not teach it. Uh, sex is not only about reproduction, thus, there's more that has to be taught. You have to teach about safe sex. This includes gay sex. Gay sex doesn't involve reproduction. By deduction, you're saying that we shouldn't discuss that, thus, making more information involving homosexuality off limits. Give me a break.

Next!

[cub]

Some questions ...

Should childless couples within a marriage that can't conceive also not have sex for love and for pleasure?

Should couples not use sensible birth control to prevent them from having more children than they can afford or manage or want?

Should a person that is attracted to the same sex stay celebate or take some kind of aversion therapy? Live alone and never enjoy a personal sexual relationship with the person of his or her choice?

[Grimnir]

Originally Posted by letmein

Then you said... then you said... blah, blah, blah.

The fact is, there's more to sex than reproduction. You're saying if it doesn't include reproduction, not teach it. Uh, sex is not only about reproduction, thus, there's more that has to be taught. You have to teach about safe sex. This includes gay sex. Gay sex doesn't involve reproduction. By deduction, you're saying that we shouldn't discuss that, thus, making more information involving homosexuality off limits. Give me a break.

Next!

no

it's your opinion sex should be taught to children

my opinion is sex should not be taught to children

my opinion is teach reproduction in science but not sex

sex education should be left to each family to discuss whenever they deem it appropriate, same as religion

its differing opinions

there is no HAVE to or HAS to anything

[Grimnir]

Originally Posted by cub

Some questions ...

Should childless couples within a marriage that can't conceive also not have sex for love and for pleasure?

they should **** each other even more

Should couples not use sensible birth control to prevent them from having more children than they can afford or manage or want?

people can have as many kids as they like

Should a person that is attracted to the same sex stay celebate or take some kind of aversion therapy? Live alone and never enjoy a personal sexual relationship with the person of his or her choice?

if you wanna **** someone and they wanna **** you too, then **** like bunnies

[Marsh.]

How is homosexuality hurtful or evil?

Don't tell me ElProximo is one of those very arrogant people who believes any gay he comes into contact with is going to come onto him.
Gay men don't fancy every man they see. Just as straight men don't fancy every woman they see. You need to get over the phobia.

[Grimnir]

you can't force people to be homo friendly

people have a right to disapprove of sexual lifestyles

if some girl likes to **** around and be a slut, people are entitled to disapprove but have no right to start being violent or a bully against them

if some guy likes to **** trannies, people are entitled to disappove but have no right to start being violent or a bully against them

if some guy likes to suck another guy's cock, people are entitled to disapprove but have no right to start being violent or a bully against them

if i would like to **** them all together wearing underpants on my head, people are entitled to disapprove but have no right to start being violent or a bully against me (not that i would care as it would turn it up a notch)

do you see?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

how you can say this isn't homophobia is utterly laughable. You're utterly ridiculous, and the only one displaying any signs of a (mental) 'sickness' in this thread.

Nothing about that tells you I have some irrational fear of homosexuals.

Don't tell me ElProximo is one of those very arrogant people who believes any gay he comes into contact with is going to come onto him.

If I was still 15 years old I would right suppose nearly every homosexual would come onto me.
But I'm older now and yes I am well aware that while homosexuals, in general, have an extremely high rate of 'multiple partners' - I know it depends on what fetish they are into.
'Daddies' or 'Twinks' or whatever specific role-playing fetish they are perved into.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Nothing about that tells you I have some irrational fear of homosexuals.



If I was still 15 years old I would right suppose nearly every homosexual would come onto me.
But I'm older now and yes I am well aware that while homosexuals, in general, have an extremely high rate of 'multiple partners' - I know it depends on what fetish they are into.
'Daddies' or 'Twinks' or whatever specific role-playing fetish they are perved into.

Oh listen to yourself will you? How dare you stereotype every homosexual man into the same category? Yes in the past I have had many sexual partners but it's called being young and what a lot of heterosexual men also do. As for the perversions, not all of us are into 'sick and twisted' things as you seem to think. You also forget that heterosexual people are just as prone to different and unusual fetishes.

I wish you would give the absolute repulsion towards homosexuality a rest. Fair enough you do not like it, but do you have to be so goddamn offensive about it?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Nothing about that tells you I have some irrational fear of homosexuals.



If I was still 15 years old I would right suppose nearly every homosexual would come onto me.
But I'm older now and yes I am well aware that while homosexuals, in general, have an extremely high rate of 'multiple partners' - I know it depends on what fetish they are into.
'Daddies' or 'Twinks' or whatever specific role-playing fetish they are perved into.

[cub]

'Daddies' or 'Twinks'? My, my those a very gay words for a heterosexual ... Hmmm.

And, by the way, homophobia isn't just a fear of homosexuals but the hated of them.

[Smithy]

I've actually just read through the whole thread, why isn't El Proximo permabanned yet

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Oh listen to yourself will you? How dare you stereotype every homosexual man into the same category?

You know (and not only because I wrote the word) but you know we were discussing homosexuals in general.

Follow me and we will see you do that same thing...

Yes in the past I have had many sexual partners but it's called being young and what a lot of heterosexual men also do.

Right but we were having a discussion about the overall general rules. I'm sure some women have had 7 different men in the last 6 months however that is an exception.
It would be a 'rule' if you were getting an average on homosexuals.

One recent study is mind boggling in that the subjects are defined as YOUNG gays:

A 1997 study of young gay and bisexual men found that 91 percent reported an average of 43 male sexual partners in their lifetime

That is a mind-boggling statistic and it might suggest that 'people who happen to love each other' is unlikely (or love at first sight happens a lot with gays?)

As for the perversions, not all of us are into 'sick and twisted' things as you seem to think.

Sure but here again if a general observation is made you think its easily 'canceled out' by simply pointing at the exceptions.

In this case I agree with a poster that not all gay men are attracted to any other man.
But there is not a 'parallel' to regular couples either. Generally, there is just attractiveness with them. 'Fitness'.
However,
The homosexual people seem to have some very distinct categories based on 'role-playing' presentations and maybe a lot less on attractive features or even fitness.
A 'Daddy' type would NOT be attracted to me because his sexual infatuation will be with finding 'Twinks' or vice-versa etc.

but having said that - a caretaker at a certain public park once suggested there is very very little discrimination among gays and yes actually they will have sex with nearly any other man.
He based this on the dynamic activity taking place in his public toilets at night and includes a hole crudely chiseled into the wood dividers, the used condoms, blood, feces and needles he gets to clean up on monday morning.

You also forget that heterosexual people are just as prone to different and unusual fetishes.

This wouldn't 'cancel out' what you seem to be admitting here.

I wish you would give the absolute repulsion towards homosexuality a rest. Fair enough you do not like it, but do you have to be so goddamn offensive about it?

It doesn't repulse me. I think my description (and a homosexual could easily write the same things) but i think my description repulsed you based on something inherent to you.
After all, if this is completely normal, moral and loving then you shouldn't be so afraid of this?

Truth is - I don't really care that much about homosexuals themselves. They are a very small portion of the population,
but,
yes I do get very easily annoyed with 'bull****' and ignorance and people playing censor society games and especially demanding others play along.
Look:
Its not a mystery. For thousands of years around the planet homosexuality is considered a bizarre sex perversion,
or,
at best often something very strange and unpleasant.
Ok.
Now in this one aberrant time of wealth and freedom its being slightly tolerate by a minority of people.
OKay.
Fair enough.
But KNOCK IT OFF trying to pretend like we are all so stupid we put a tongue in the cheek and a 'who me?' smirk and demand to pretend its so obviously no different or remarkable,
or,
pretend that its not still true that a HUGE portion of our society doesn't still think its a grotesque sex perversion or at least strange and uncomfortable.

Its the 'playing games' crap that really annoys me. In a real sense the actual homosexual issue is neither here nor there.
I'd be annoyed if we were pretending everyone knows bestiality is 'perfectly accepted' or drinking turpentine or wearing melons as hats.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not all that idiotic; millions of Americans are Christian fundamentalists, Bin Laden was an Islamic fundamentalist..

millions out of 300+ million ain't very much. Infact it's a very small minority. that's why i compared it to the EDL and the BNP.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by cub

Some questions ...

Should childless couples within a marriage that can't conceive also not have sex for love and for pleasure?

Should couples not use sensible birth control to prevent them from having more children than they can afford or manage or want?

Should a person that is attracted to the same sex stay celebate or take some kind of aversion therapy? Live alone and never enjoy a personal sexual relationship with the person of his or her choice?

very relevant socratic questions. well done.

[Niall]

I know this'll end up with me receiving an infraction, but how ElProximo is allowed to parade around the forum and spout **** like that without getting banned is beyond me.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niall

I know this'll end up with me receiving an infraction, but how ElProximo is allowed to parade around the forum and spout **** like that without getting banned is beyond me.

if you get an infraction for that, then at least 5 or 6 of us should also be getting infractions. elproximo is clearly a bigot, but i don't think it's against the rules to say so. It's just the truth. I doubt the mods will want to defend someone like him/her.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

if you get an infraction for that, then at least 5 or 6 of us should also be getting infractions. elproximo is clearly a bigot, but i don't think it's against the rules to say so. It's just the truth. I doubt the mods will want to defend someone like him/her.

^

and it amazes me someone actually asks that. What i'd suggest is you find a way to discuss thing,
or,
do something called 'not read' a post.

[InOne]

Would you ever consider joining Westboro Baptist Church ElProximo? Or do you see yourself as a David Koresh type?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by InOne

Would you ever consider joining Westboro Baptist Church ElProximo? Or do you see yourself as a David Koresh type?

Good question. I was wondering if you are considering joining the Nazi Party or are you more the lone serial killer type?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Good question. I was wondering if you are considering joining the Nazi Party or are you more the lone serial killer type?

Lone serial killer type

You?

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

...

I'm disappointed in you ElProximo, I'm not sure weather you're winding people up on purpose.

You seem to be intelligent, but the words you choose are very hurtful. I think a HUGE portion of our society would find a lot of your comments grotesque.

Also homosexuality is part of normal life. There is nothing wrong or immoral about it.

Live and let live.