[billy123]

Without wanting to get too involved in this discussion as someone that has seen first hand the extremes of both sides of this unrest i have to suggest that staging a parade has to be seen as a far more civilised and intelligent way of stating your beliefs than (90% students) trying to bomb,shoot,petrol bomb,intimidate and riot your standpoint into being accepted.

A wise man once said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Without wanting to get too involved in this discussion as someone that has seen first hand the extremes of both sides of this unrest i have to suggest that staging a parade has to be seen as a far more civilised and intelligent way of stating your beliefs than (90% students) trying to bomb,shoot,petrol bomb,intimidate and riot your standpoint into being accepted.

A wise man once said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

The problem is bobnot: they don't just parade. They antagonise, they provoke. The atmosphere is one charged with aggression. Looking back on what PatsyLimerick posted and that all stands true. They are staging a parade based on their perceived superirority over others.

These bands march, knowing that many followers are there with no other reason that to vocally and physically 'get it right up' others and they are allowed to do that very publically - with no connection to the Orangemen / Orange order - yet still knowing this: these marches (not some nice fluffy community binding parade) are allowed to continue. And I mean in respect of 'both sides of the fence'

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Without wanting to get too involved in this discussion as someone that has seen first hand the extremes of both sides of this unrest i have to suggest that staging a parade has to be seen as a far more civilised and intelligent way of stating your beliefs than (90% students) trying to bomb,shoot,petrol bomb,intimidate and riot your standpoint into being accepted.

A wise man once said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

Both sides of what 'unrest'? Why do you need to parade to state your beliefs? Come to that, why do you have to 'state' your beliefs at all? If you are a Protestant, it's simply a matter of which particular brand of Christianity you subscribe to. And there's no brand of Christianity that I'm familiar with that urges you to get out there, stick your metaphorical tongue out and chant 'na, na, nana, na; I'm better than you.........'

[billy123]

If some people find the protestant irish antagonistic then before they can tackle it they need to get their own image of intimidation and violence under check before they can hold that up as a valid argument.
This is my last post on this matter as i have no wish to get into an argument over this matter on here as there is no happy medium.

Protestant irish celebrating who they are.

Youtube video

V the republican equivalent. (st patricks day celebration)

Youtube video

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by bobnot

If some people find the protestant irish antagonistic then before they can tackle it they need to get their own image of intimidation and violence under check before they can hold that up as a valid argument.
This is my last post on this matter as i have no wish to get into an argument over this matter on here.

Protestant irish celebrating who they are.

Youtube video

V the republican equivalent.

Youtube video

What an absolutely, breathtakingly ridiculous post! First off - the thread refers to SCOTTISH Protestants. Secondly, what exactly are you suggesting with the bit in bold? I'm going to come on the thread and call you a violent terrorist and then just piss off because I cannot back up my stupid point?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

What an absolutely, breathtakingly ridiculous post! First off - the thread refers to SCOTTISH Protestants. Secondly, what exactly are you suggesting with the bit in bold? I'm going to come on the thread and call you a violent terrorist and then just piss off because I cannot back up my stupid point?

This.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

If some people find the protestant irish antagonistic then before they can tackle it they need to get their own image of intimidation and violence under check before they can hold that up as a valid argument.
This is my last post on this matter as i have no wish to get into an argument over this matter on here as there is no happy medium.

Protestant irish celebrating who they are.

Youtube video

V the republican equivalent. (st patricks day celebration)

Youtube video

Spot on

the way some people act you'd think there was full on riots at Orange walks.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Novo

Spot on

the way some people act you'd think there was full on riots at Orange walks.

Which do you think, honestly, lead to more violent conflict? St Patrick's Day Parades or Orange Order 'walks'?

[Novo]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Which do you think, honestly, lead to more violent conflict? St Patrick's Day Parades or Orange Order 'walks'?

Roughly about the same depending where they are and who is there

so get your green tinted shades off.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Novo

Roughly about the same depending where they are and who is there

so get your green tinted shades off.

Why don't you try addressing the topic rather than the poster? Seeing as how St. Patrick's Day parade are held and enjoyed all over the world as a celebration, and Orange Order 'walks' are only held in the UK, your first sentence doesn't even make sense. How about some statistics or links demonstrating the cause and effect between St Patrick's Day parades and riots? What a complete load of nonsense

[keithafc]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Which do you think, honestly, lead to more violent conflict? St Patrick's Day Parades or Orange Order 'walks'?

The vast vast majority of them pass off peacefully. The majority of them around the 12th or 13th end up going to a field and playing traditional music.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by keithafc

The vast vast majority of them pass off peacefully. The majority of them around the 12th or 13th end up going to a field and playing traditional music.

Listen, I wasn't the one who brought the absolutely laugh out loud comparison between Orange Parades and St Patrick's Day parades into the thread. I'm delighted to hear MOST of them pass off peacefully. Quite a significant number of them don't. The only problem at Paddy's Day parade are drunken idiots losing the run of themselves - which happens at any large public event. The discussion was about the 'intent' of an Orange parade; particularly when the route is targetted to cause upset.