[Zippy]

Originally Posted by AfroMullet

If your not black then you cannot comment on the struggle of a black man or black youth. Its that simple.

Well it's not that simple and yes we can comment. It's a free forum. I don't see anybody claiming to know what a black mans struggle is. But when your struggles affect the rest of society it becomes everybodies business.

Clearly there are serious issues that need to be addressed. As I hinted at before, the violent crime statistics in London as regards young black males is shocking:

2009/10 figures

12% of Londons population is black or have a black parent.

67% caught for gun crimes were black.

54% of street robberies(actually proceeded against) were black males.

32% of sex offence suspects were black males.

Black females also figure highly in knife crimes(45%) and gun crimes(58%).

So it's pretty clear that we have a minority subculture that is responsible for a hugely disproportionate amount of crime...especially violent crime. So it's very much a topic for everybody to comment on. And it's not all about your struggle; it's also about the damage you are inflicting on the rest of society. Or do you think your struggle justifies that damage?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Well it's not that simple and yes we can comment. It's a free forum. I don't see anybody claiming to know what a black mans struggle is. But when your struggles affect the rest of society it becomes everybodies business.

Clearly there are serious issues that need to be addressed. As I hinted at before, the violent crime statistics in London as regards young black males is shocking:

2009/10 figures

12% of Londons population is black or have a black parent.

67% caught for gun crimes were black.

54% of street robberies(actually proceeded against) were black males.

32% of sex offence suspects were black males.

Black females also figure highly in knife crimes(45%) and gun crimes(58%).

So it's pretty clear that we have a minority subculture that is responsible for a hugely disproportionate amount of crime...especially violent crime. So it's very much a topic for everybody to comment on. And it's not all about your struggle; it's also about the damage you are inflicting on the rest of society. Or do you think your struggle justifies that damage?

You know who's also responsible for a hugely disproportionate amount of crime? Poor people. You have to put those figures into the context of the socio-economic status of black people in this country

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You know who's also responsible for a hugely disproportionate amount of crime? Poor people. You have to put those figures into the context of the socio-economic status of black people in this country

Well there are a huge amount of poor white people in London so the numbers still don't add up.

And you say that as if being poor is an excuse for violent crime. Sorry, I don't get the connection.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Well there are a huge amount of poor white people in London so the numbers still don't add up.

And you say that as if being poor is an excuse for violent crime. Sorry, I don't get the connection.

Yes but it's very clear that black people are disproporptionately disadvantaged, these figures are for the USA but it isn't that different over here:

African American children are three times more likely to live in poverty than Caucasian children. American Indian/Alaska Native, Hispanic, Pacific Islander, and Native Hawaiian families are more likely than Caucasian and Asian families to live in poverty (Costello, Keeler, & Angold, 2001; National Center for Education Statistics, 2007).

Minorities are more likely to receive high-cost mortgages: African Americans (53 percent) and Latinos (43 percent), in comparison to Caucasians (18 percent) (Logan,2008).

Unemployment rates for African Americans are typically double those of Caucasian Americans. African American men working full time earn 72 percent of the average earnings of comparable Caucasian men and 85 percent of the earnings of Caucasian women (Rodgers, 2008).

And no I'm not saying that being poor is an excuse for crime, I'm saying there's a very clear relationship between the two, poverty and crime are inextricablly linked

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

And no I'm not saying that being poor is an excuse for crime, I'm saying there's a very clear relationship between the two, poverty and crime are inextricablly linked

My references on this thread are mostly regards VIOLENT crime. That is the real specific worry about black culture. That is more than just about poverty.

There is a cultural leaning towards violence that has nothing to do with the goverment or other outside sources. Its an influence and peer pressure that comes from within black culture itself. It seems they are sucked into a negative way of life at a very young age. Before theyve even had time to start thinking of a career or gaining qualifications.