[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Obviously not allowed, but it still goes on. I think they should put far much more money into stopping it than they do, so it almost seems allowed at the moment.

So too does drug dealing and drug taking seem allowed to go on at the moment in this country. How much money that comes from drug dealing in the UK do you think is connected to the sex slave trade from faraway shores etc, to which you are commenting on that is 'allowed' to go on?

Yet the drug connection seems to be given a wide berth by a great many, blind eyes turned by all those who happy sit there stoned, coked out of their head, happy to blithy stumble along in their ignornace (or complete dismissal) to accept the real connection that drugs and the sex trafficking trade go very much hand in hand: on the back of abusing those in abject poverty.

How much money do you think is spent tackling these issues if you think the current spend is not enough? How much money do you think the Government has available to tackle all these issues, along with everything else that they have to account for?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shaun

The only scenario I can imagine (though feel free to offer others) where a man hires an escort purely for show (to colleagues / family / friends) is if he was in the closet and afraid of coming out of it. Obviously then they'd not be in it for sex. But I struggle to believe any others (other than the weird fetishist Lee pointed out ) hire escorts for company.

Originally Posted by Zippy

A lot of women hire male escorts to take them to certain do's or events they don't want to attend alone. Its actually very common.

I just don't think women crave sex enough to pay for it like men do. But they do crave company.

Correct Zippy. Many affluent woman use the services of Escort agencies for the very reason you have mentioned, as well as the reason that Shuan has made mention of in respect of men who wish not to be publically seen as not being hetro.

Life isn't all black and white, there are a great many variables.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Nah. Having consential sex is allowed. Having it filmed is allowed. Selling such movies for others to watch - all strictly above board.

*consensual

Prostitutes have consensual sex too. Unless theyre forced into it which is a different matter.

And it may be legal but its still being paid to have sex. It's a legal form of prostitution. Well its kinda a redundant question anyways because most pornstars do escort work on the back of their porn fame. That's how they make their money because porn doesnt even pay much these days.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

So too does drug dealing and drug taking seem allowed to go on at the moment in this country. How much money that comes from drug dealing in the UK do you think is connected to the sex slave trade from faraway shores etc, to which you are commenting on that is 'allowed' to go on?

Yet the drug connection seems to be given a wide berth by a great many, blind eyes turned by all those who happy sit there stoned, coked out of their head, happy to blithy stumble along in their ignornace (or complete dismissal) to accept the real connection that drugs and the sex trafficking trade go very much hand in hand: on the back of abusing those in abject poverty.

How much money do you think is spent tackling these issues if you think the current spend is not enough? How much money do you think the Government has available to tackle all these issues, along with everything else that they have to account for?

Well I guess you're talking about the masses there. Did you ever see that doc about the police unit who is totally focused on the sex trade? I'm talking about them, they should have more money put into them. Drugs have been a problem for years, yes it's linked but they could break the link by putting more money into that unit.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zippy

*consensual

Prostitutes have consensual sex too. Unless theyre forced into it which is a different matter.

And it may be legal but its still being paid to have sex. It's a legal form of prostitution. Well its kinda a redundant question anyways because most pornstars do escort work on the back of their porn fame. That's how they make their money because porn doesnt even pay much these days.

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Aha..but you were asking about pornstars being regarded as being in the same realm as prostitution. They aren't paid to have sex. They are paid to be filmed having sex. There is a diffference.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well I guess you're talking about the masses there. Did you ever see that doc about the police unit who is totally focused on the sex trade? I'm talking about them, they should have more money put into them. Drugs have been a problem for years, yes it's linked but they could break the link by putting more money into that unit.

It's a vicious circle and it's extremely fair to say that the drugs trade and the sex trade: that far more money is available for those trades to remain functioning, than there are funds available to be put into stopping it.

Of course I'm talking about the masses: the drug and sex trade is massive. It's not run globally from some wee portakabin off a Columbian high street.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's a vicious circle and it's extremely fair to say that the drugs trade and the sex trade: that far more money is available for those trades to remain functioning, than there are funds available to be put into stopping it.

Of course I'm talking about the masses: the drug and sex trade is massive. It's not run globally from some wee portakabin off a Columbian high street.

Yeah, so I still think that unit should have more money to stop the sex slave trade. Does that not seem reasonable?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

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Aha..but you were asking about pornstars being regarded as being in the same realm as prostitution. They aren't paid to have sex. They are paid to be filmed having sex. There is a diffference.

Hmm it's a very fine line, the absence of a camera is essentially the only real difference

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah, so I still think that unit should have more money to stop the sex slave trade. Does that not seem reasonable?

If we lived in a world where money was in limitless supply as far as Fiscal Policy was concerned, then yes.

As it is: funds that would be needed for any real impact to be made, simply are unavailable. So no, on that score, I wouldn't agree it to be reasonable.

What I would find more reasonable is that people in this country who break the law and add to the whole problem by buying drugs - stop doing so. That would certainly help a little along the way - take away the demand, and the supply chain falters.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Hmm it's a very fine line, the absence of a camera is essentially the only real difference

Fine line or not, the line is there: and therein lies the difference, regardless.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

If we lived in a world where money was in limitless supply as far as Fiscal Policy was concerned, then yes.

As it is: funds that would be needed for any real impact to be made, simply are unavailable. So no, on that score, I wouldn't agree it to be reasonable.

What I would find more reasonable is that people in this country who break the law and add to the whole problem by buying drugs - stop doing so. That would certainly help a little along the way - take away the demand, and the supply chain falters.

Well not much we can do about that, always happened and always will. Drugs are a part of life.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Fine line or not, the line is there: and therein lies the difference, regardless.

Sure but what is the actual significance of the fact that in one profession the sex is recorded and in the other it isn't? You don't really seem to think there is any

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well not much we can do about that, always happened and always will. Drugs are a part of life.

And conversely, so too is the sex slave trade. Most certainly, nothing will improve if everyone had that attitude. Always happened and always will. Sex is a part of life. (see what I did there!)

And on that note: I will bid you goodnight. Sleep well. It's been a pleasure!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sure but what is the actual significance of the fact that in one profession the sex is recorded and in the other it isn't? You don't really seem to think there is any

They are not being paid to have sex with someone. They are being paid to allow their sex act to be filmed, that is the significant factor. Paid to allow their sex act to be filmed.

Clearly there is a difference, as you have already acceded to.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Fine line or not, the line is there: and therein lies the difference, regardless.

Prostitution is not a legal term

Pornstars are prostitutes being filmed. They're not being filmed baking cakes.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

And conversely, so too is the sex slave trade. Most certainly, nothing will improve if everyone had that attitude. Always happened and always will. Sex is a part of life. (see what I did there!)

And on that note: I will bid you goodnight. Sleep well. It's been a pleasure!

Sex is a part of life, but being sold for sex isn't. There is a difference, we're talking about a different kind of sex trade here. Like girls being promised a job ending up being sold for sex, or even in some cases being sold in their own country. Drugs does not come into it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

They are not being paid to have sex with someone. They are being paid to allow their sex act to be filmed, that is the significant factor. Paid to allow their sex act to be filmed.

Clearly there is a difference, as you have already acceded to.

Except they are being paid to have sex with someone, that's something of a necessity in making a porn film. They are not "allowing" their sex act to be filmed, they are having sex purely so that it can be filmed

Yeah there is a difference but an incredibly small one, that is not particularly significant and one that doesn't merit one profession being perfectly legal and the other being completely criminal

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Sex is a part of life, but being sold for sex isn't. There is a difference, we're talking about a different kind of sex trade here. Like girls being promised a job ending up being sold for sex, or even in some cases being sold in their own country. Drugs does not come into it.

If you believe drugs do not come into it, then you are more naive than I ever would have thought you to be.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Except they are being paid to have sex with someone, that's something of a necessity in making a porn film. They are not "allowing" their sex act to be filmed, they are having sex purely so that it can be filmed

Yeah there is a difference but an incredibly small one, that is not particularly significant and one that doesn't merit one profession being perfectly legal and the other being completely criminal

Nope - money changing hands for sexual services, that would be illegal. Having sex to allow it be be filmed is not illegal. Point proven.

"Yeah there is a difference". Again: you admit there is a difference. Hence why it is NOT the same.

[Vicky.]

I view pornstars as not much different to prostitutes. The only difference I can see is that one is filmed and shared around, allowing others to watch, and the other isnt.

They both are getting paid to have sex.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I view pornstars as not much different to prostitutes. The only difference I can see is that one is filmed and shared around, allowing others to watch, and the other isnt.

They both are getting paid to have sex.

A completely understandable point of view. But legally, there is a difference, otherwise porn movies would be illegal. The fine line is most certainly there - but it's still there. Whether we all agree on it or not: the line is there as far as the law is concerned.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

A completely understandable point of view. But legally, there is a difference, otherwise porn movies would be illegal. The fine line is most certainly there - but it's still there. Whether we all agree on it or not: the line is there as far as the law is concerned.

The law is a little bit backwards when it comes to a lot of things tbh

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The law is a little bit backwards when it comes to a lot of things tbh

It is indeed. Makes the world an interesting and quirky place to live in though!

[Vicky.]

OK this is the last time I will say it. Can everyone stop with the snipes and digs and trying to get one over on each other. We should be able to debate without all this crap :/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Escort covers a wider ground. It's not specifically about paying for sex even though that may be offered as part of the service.

Prostitution is about paying for a sex act.

Better question; are pornstars prostitutes?

Oh, now there's an interesting question, why are pornstars allowed to be paid to have sex but prostitutes aren't? Seems the same thing to me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Except they are being paid to have sex with someone, that's something of a necessity in making a porn film. They are not "allowing" their sex act to be filmed, they are having sex purely so that it can be filmed

Yeah there is a difference but an incredibly small one, that is not particularly significant and one that doesn't merit one profession being perfectly legal and the other being completely criminal

I agree, so does that mean if the guy filmed himself having sex with the prostitute it would then be legal?