[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

I think people have the bigger problem because it was Harry. If he was angry at another big male (had there been one) in the house people would have willed on a fight

Bloody fickle

And I think this is reaching...a lot

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Kerry... mine are not assumptions are they?

I witnessed his violent rage tonight, which went on for well over an hour, and thats was just what we saw.

How did he get in to the house? I am asking myself the same thing.

Of course they are. You're watching an hour of highlights with a few snippets of Jay inluded and making assumptions based on that

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

I think people have the bigger problem because it was Harry. If he was angry at another big male (had there been one) in the house people would have willed on a fight

Bloody fickle

I personally would never will on a fight, I haven't as yet seen violence solve anything.

Had I been Harry though I would have steered well clear of Jay tonight because he was losing it bigtime.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And I think this is reaching...a lot

Reaching?

[cell]

I didn't see aggression, it was frustration he felt because what's done is done and there was nothing he could do about it. If he was aggressive he would have flew off the handle and been uncontrollable, he took his time and dealt with his emotion until he felt he could speak properly to Harry. True violent aggressive people don't think they just do.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Well, first off your basic assumption is false, so it follows your question based on it is.

I don't care if it is a pillow or a punchbag. Thats not the point.

Jay has an unstable and violent temper. He was not only in a rage following the prank, he was still violently frustrated over an HOUR later, needing to hit something for an extended time. Outside the house it obviously would not have been a pillow used, and that obviously was part of his frustration.

Did you see the other HM faces? They were scared... genuinely disturbed by what they saw (except the vile Louise that is ofc). No one in that house should feel intimidated, controlled by the threat of barely suppressed violent anger from another HM.

I agree and did you hear Anton say to Harry that he (Harry) should stay away from Jay for now incase he punched his lights out? its really disgusting what Jay is allowed to get away with in that house and Louise is just pathetic,Faye and Maisy are the two best looking girls in the house aswell as Louise has a nasty face.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Of course they are. You're watching an hour of highlights with a few snippets of Jay inluded and making assumptions based on that

No, I am making JUDGEMENTS on that, not assumptions.

It is not an assumption he was in a rage over the prank.

It is not an assumption that over an hour later he still felt the need to violently express that rage.

His whole attitude was not an assumption.

We saw it.

You can criticise me for judging him on the footage shown, thats fine, but we are not discussing his behaviour on assumptions.

[Patrick]

We need a Jacuzzi.

/myinput

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I personally would never will on a fight, I haven't as yet seen violence solve anything.

Had I been Harry though I would have steered well clear of Jay tonight because he was losing it bigtime.

But other people are begging for another fight night. Yet any sign of rage and Jay's a maniac.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Reaching?

Assumptions that are a little ridiculous

I really doubt if that had been directed at anyone else the reaction would have been different. Except if it had been one of the girls of course, people would have gone on a lot worse about that (not saying he would go on like that with the girls though)

[Jords]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Never said he didn't. Just want to know what the difference was. If he'd been in a gym it wouldn't have been mentioned

Punchbags are there to be hit though... poor pillow

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Well, first off your basic assumption is false, so it follows your question based on it is.

I don't care if it is a pillow or a punchbag. Thats not the point.

Jay has an unstable and violent temper. He was not only in a rage following the prank, he was still violently frustrated over an HOUR later, needing to hit something for an extended time. Outside the house it obviously would not have been a pillow used, and that obviously was part of his frustration.

Did you see the other HM faces? They were scared... genuinely disturbed by what they saw (except the vile Louise that is ofc). No one in that house should feel intimidated, controlled by the threat of barely suppressed violent anger from another HM.

There is a massive difference between a "unstable and violent temper" and anger developing into a need to vent that anger on a soft target.

I am absolutely gobsmacked and i can't help but think there is more to every ones attitude other than tonight's action.

1. Jay and the Freezer
2. Jay Crude with Women
3. Jay pitted against Harry and Arron yesterday

All this must be massively colouring your opinion on this.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

There is a massive difference between a "unstable and violent temper" and anger developing into a need to vent that anger on a soft target.

I am absolutely gobsmacked and i can't help but think there is more to every ones attitude other than tonight's action.

1. Jay and the Freezer
2. Jay Crude with Women
3. Jay pitted against Harry and Arron yesterday

All this must be massively colouring your opinion on this.

No Crom, none of that is it. You know what is though? The real thing that is?

The genuine look of fear on other HMs faces and the obvious scared atmosphere in the house when Jay was in the garden violently venting.

Like I say, no one in there signed up to be in that situation. Jay should go.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Assumptions that are a little ridiculous

I really doubt if that had been directed at anyone else the reaction would have been different. Except if it had been one of the girls of course, people would have gone on a lot worse about that (not saying he would go on like that with the girls though)

Theres loads of posts wanting another "fight night" though. That's what I'm basing it on

And I don't necerssarily mean if he'd aimed his anger at a different HM in there now. But say he'd been in there with someone like Vincent or Jayson from past BB's. I guarentee a different opinion if he'd simply walked away and hit a pillow

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Theres loads of posts wanting another "fight night" though. That's what I'm basing it on

And I don't necerssarily mean if he'd aimed his anger at a different HM in there now. But say he'd been in there with someone like Vincent or Jayson from past BB's. I guarentee a different opinion if he'd simply walked away and hit a pillow

Indeed. But thats not quite what Jay did. He was full of rage for about an hour. Had he just walked over and hit a pillow I doubt anyone would he having quite this reaction now, as just hitting a pillow would not have scared/intimidated the other housemates and would not have made him come across as a total caveman with a screw loose. For me, I cant speak for others, it was the fact that he was absolutely foaming for an hour at least :/

(Also must add that had Jay been in a house with Jason and Victor, in my opinion he would not have dared to behave like that)

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No Crom, none of that is it. You know what is though? The real thing that is?

The genuine look of fear on other HMs faces and the obvious scared atmosphere in the house when Jay was in the garden violently venting.

Like I say, no one in there signed up to be in that situation. Jay should go.

There was a somber mood in the house and Louise said she felt she should "look after him" nobody said they felt in fear of there safety. You are implying you can read there body language and sense fear over Somber.

Maybe Harry was scared for his safety, but your escalating that to all the Hm's.

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Indeed. But thats not quite what Jay did. He was full of rage for about an hour. Had he just walked over and hit a pillow I doubt anyone would he having quite this reaction now, as just hitting a pillow would not have scared/intimidated the other housemates and would not have made him come across as a total caveman with a screw loose. For me, I cant speak for others, it was the fact that he was absolutely foaming for an hour at least :/

(Also must add that had Jay been in a house with Jason and Victor, in my opinion he would not have dared to behave like that)

If that's not an over-reaction i don't know what is.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

There was a somber mood in the house and Louise said she felt she should "look after him" nobody said they felt in fear of there safety. You are implying you can read there body language and sense fear over Somber.

Maybe Harry was scared for his safety, but your escalating that to all the Hm's.

I am implying nothing, I am clearly saying that the atmosphere (even the little shown) was terse and nervous, the HMs obviously intimidated during the exchnage when they were looking out the window. I am saying that the look on Faye's face spoke volumes. I am saying yes I can read body language and situations pretty well.

Watch it online tommorow again and keep an eye out for what I am saying.


but look... even you admit that Harry was probably scared of Jay during that, and you know what? That alone is unnacceptable.

No HM should ever feel afraid or intimidated in there. Ever.

[Benjamin]

I hate Jay, but I don't see what the problem was in him hitting a pillow away from everyone, it's obviously his way of dealing with anger. He could of hit Harry, but chose to hit a pillow. Doesn't mean he is some violent moron. Jesus, some of you need to get a bloody grip.

[Maia]

Imagine him in a gym punching a punch bag

Wouldn't seem abnormal at all, it's just something people do

But imagine him right on the floor punching the hell out of a pillow

Now that doesn't really seem normal

[Mystic Mock]

The thing is it was a bit of an OTT reaction off Jay as afterall Bananas would keep him fit,especially 500.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

If that's not an over-reaction i don't know what is.

Really? Oh well. Again we dont see eye to eye, theres a surprise

[Kerry]

Wait until they get 500 tins of tuna......

[MTVN]

Hitting a punch bag is a well known and common way of taking out your anger, seeing as no punch bag is available then a pillow was the next best thing. I'm sorry, and I know I'm a Jay fan, but I really can't see the problem with what he did tonight, it was a good way of unleashing his frustration without it having a detrimental impact on his fellow housemates

[tweetypiebabe1]

He's a muscle head who's had a lack of protein and work outs since he's been in the house. Harry well knew of everyone, the shopping list sabotage was gonna wind Jay up the most and of course it did. He had some aggression, he had to get it out.

He punched a pillow not a housemate and like you said, had there been a gym, he would be a lot more level headed.