[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by saigon

This is just crazy. I have seen numerous posts calling for hms to be removed. Come on now grow a set... I am yet to see behavior that warrants removal from the house. Some people obviously live very sheltered lives on here.

And i am not talking about any 1 housemate in particular.

Well I am a black female with a mild disability and I do think that there is a hierarchy where white, able-bodied, heterosexual men think they sit on top ala Jay. Anyone who deviates from this is often seen as inferior and ripe for mockery (gay people, women, black/ British Asians, people with disability). Jay likes casual racist jokes because the jokes about black men who deviate from 'white man' ideal. And if you dare to challenge this white able bodied heterosexual men often say 'oh, you can't take a joke, it's just banter' etc.

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Well I am a black female with a mild disability and I do think that there is a hierarchy where white, able-bodied, heterosexual men think they sit on top ala Jay. Anyone who deviates from this is often seen as inferior and ripe for mockery (gay people, women, black/ British Asians, people with disability). Jay likes casual racist jokes because the jokes about black men who deviate from 'white man' ideal. And if you dare to challenge this white able bodied heterosexual men often say 'oh, you can't take a joke, it's just banter' etc.

Alex do you think Jay's "White Chicks" gag was racist or offensive to the Disabled?

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

Alex do you think Jay's "White Chicks" gag was racist or offensive to the Disabled?

The intent was to make a racial stereotype rather than physical so I wasn't actually in agreement with Aaron on the disability from. I find the sort of people who brush Jay's comments under the carpet more offensive.

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

The intent was to make a racial stereotype rather than physical so I wasn't actually in agreement with Aaron on the disability from. I find the sort of people who brush Jay's comments under the carpet more offensive.

I took no offense at it myself, yes it was a racial stereotype but as it was a positive stereotype the intention was not to be offensive. Racial prejudice is after all about intention.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

I took no offense at it myself, yes it was a racial stereotype but as it was a positive stereotype the intention was not to be offensive. Racial prejudice is after all about intention.

And what stereotypes are there of white people? What is the stereotype of a straight white man? Exactly.

It's irrelevant whether it's a positive stereotype. Another so called positive racial stereotype is that black people are good at sport. I am not. This whole blacks can only do sport/ music is lazy, offensive as it reduces the cerebral qualities of black people eg I have a 1st from the best Uni in GB, so I intensely dislike being pigeon-holed as being sporty. I prefer rock music and hate R n B/ rap, but I am still black.

Jay should be thrown out for repeatedly making threats, urinating on Mark and coffee, pooing in freezer and racist jokes

Emily (BB8)got ejected - she made a racist though there was no malice - less offensive than Jay

Alexander (BB9) was evicted for making threats and gun gestures

Dennis (BB9) spat at Mo.

Kenneth Tong (BB10) was basically forced to jump the wall before he was ejected after he made threats.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

And what stereotypes are there of white people? What is the stereotype of a straight white man? Exactly.

It's irrelevant whether it's a positive stereotype. Another so called positive racial stereotype is that black people are good at sport. I am not. This whole blacks can only do sport/ music is lazy, offensive as it reduces the cerebral qualities of black people eg I have a 1st from the best Uni in GB, so I intensely dislike being pigeon-holed as being sporty. I prefer rock music and hate R n B/ rap, but I am still black.

Jay should be thrown out for repeatedly making threats, urinating on Mark and coffee, pooing in freezer and racist jokes

Emily (BB8)got ejected - she made a racist though there was no malice - less offensive than Jay

Alexander (BB9) was evicted for making threats and gun gestures

Dennis (BB9) spat at Mo.

Kenneth Tong (BB10) was basically forced to jump the wall before he was ejected after he made threats.

White men can't dance

Seriously though there's stereotypes for most groups of people, Women are bad drivers (gggrrrr) Men hate shopping, Irish people love drinking........ the list goes on, it's just a fact life, Black people are no more stereotyped than other people to be fair.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

White men can't dance

Seriously though there's stereotypes for most groups of people, Women are bad drivers (gggrrrr) Men hate shopping, Irish people love drinking........ the list goes on, it's just a fact life, Black people are no more stereotyped than other people to be fair.

Exactly. Try living with ginger hair.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

It's irrelevant whether it's a positive stereotype. Another so called positive racial stereotype is that black people are good at sport. I am not. This whole blacks can only do sport/ music is lazy, offensive as it reduces the cerebral qualities of black people eg I have a 1st from the best Uni in GB, so I intensely dislike being pigeon-holed as being sporty. I prefer rock music and hate R n B/ rap, but I am still black.

I don't know whether the majority of the population believes that black people are just good at sport and music. Either ways, every person on the planet has been subject to people making snap judgements on what u may or may not be like because of your appearance, that's just a thing humans do. Whether you as a kid at school wore glasses and got called a geek, or chubby and called lazy etc..

As far as the black men having big *****. That's a just genetic fact, and most people (particularly women), seem to see it as a positive!

I'd just be worried of political correctness going so far that we can't EVER have a joke about our differences. Because when we lose humour and the ability to take the piss out of ourselves and each other, i feel it makes for a rather dull and sterile society.

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

I don't know whether the majority of the population believes that black people are just good at sport and music. Either ways, every person on the planet has been subject to people making snap judgements on what u may or may not be like because of your appearance, that's just a thing humans do. Whether you as a kid at school wore glasses and got called a geek, or chubby and called lazy etc..

As far as the black men having big *****. That's a just genetic fact, and most people (particularly women), seem to see it as a positive!

I'd just be worried of political correctness going so far that we can't EVER have a joke about our differences. Because when we lose humour and the ability to take the piss out of ourselves and each other, i feel it makes for a rather dull and sterile society.

Tell that to Aaron, maybe that will turn the frown upside down

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

And what stereotypes are there of white people?

I'm a white, blonde female and I'm stereotyped as a 'Dumb blonde'

Which is highly uncalled for imo!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Incensed

I'm a white, blonde female and I'm stereotyped as a 'Dumb blonde'

Which is highly uncalled for imo!

I'm an Irish blonde so I'm a stupid drunk who only eats potatoes

[Thotmas]

Originally Posted by Incensed

I'm a white, blonde female and I'm stereotyped as a 'Dumb blonde'

Which is highly uncalled for imo!

since when is that sterotype harmful to anyone? It is so "in"/cute/embraced many women play up to that.

Anyways what r we talking about now? housemates to be removed? I should just give up on bb. seems when I dont watch, a lot happens

[Yayita]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

And what stereotypes are there of white people? What is the stereotype of a straight white man? Exactly.

It's irrelevant whether it's a positive stereotype. Another so called positive racial stereotype is that black people are good at sport. I am not. This whole blacks can only do sport/ music is lazy, offensive as it reduces the cerebral qualities of black people eg I have a 1st from the best Uni in GB, so I intensely dislike being pigeon-holed as being sporty. I prefer rock music and hate R n B/ rap, but I am still black.

Jay should be thrown out for repeatedly making threats, urinating on Mark and coffee, pooing in freezer and racist jokes

Emily (BB8)got ejected - she made a racist though there was no malice - less offensive than Jay

Alexander (BB9) was evicted for making threats and gun gestures

Dennis (BB9) spat at Mo.

Kenneth Tong (BB10) was basically forced to jump the wall before he was ejected after he made threats.

I like Jay until I found out about the Poo in the freezer, now I am digusted and shocked that they tried to keep this hidden from the public.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by Yayita

I like Jay until I found out about the Poo in the freezer, now I am digusted and shocked that they tried to keep this hidden from the public.

Yes but how do we know it is true. Where is this freezer?
Mark's escapades since he left the house have been gross so it is hard to say which one was causing these antics.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Well I am a black female with a mild disability and I do think that there is a hierarchy where white, able-bodied, heterosexual men think they sit on top ala Jay. Anyone who deviates from this is often seen as inferior and ripe for mockery (gay people, women, black/ British Asians, people with disability). Jay likes casual racist jokes because the jokes about black men who deviate from 'white man' ideal. And if you dare to challenge this white able bodied heterosexual men often say 'oh, you can't take a joke, it's just banter' etc.

Well, I think the problem there is the type of HMs they send in really. There's always alot more white HMs then black HMs. Plus, they don't often send in likeable black HMs (saying that the majority of white HMs aren't overly likeable either) People shouldn't be looking at BB for a fair representation of Irish people, Black people, Geordies, etc. cos a BB HM is chosen because they're not the norm usually!

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

People shouldn't be looking at BB for a fair representation of Irish people, Black people, Geordies, etc. cos a BB HM is chosen because they're not the norm usually!

You know who you are.

[buckfast67uk]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Well I am a black female with a mild disability and I do think that there is a hierarchy where white, able-bodied, heterosexual men think they sit on top ala Jay. Anyone who deviates from this is often seen as inferior and ripe for mockery (gay people, women, black/ British Asians, people with disability). Jay likes casual racist jokes because the jokes about black men who deviate from 'white man' ideal. And if you dare to challenge this white able bodied heterosexual men often say 'oh, you can't take a joke, it's just banter' etc.

We only have your word to take for that.

I suspect that you have just said that with the delusional idea that it makes your argument stronger.

For the record i don't like Jay either, but don't make stuff up about yourself.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by buckfast67uk

We only have your word to take for that.

I suspect that you have just said that with the delusional idea that it makes your argument stronger.

For the record i don't like Jay either, but don't make stuff up about yourself.

This is a bit of an inappropriate post, you have no real reason for disbelieving the poster, tone it down a bit

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by buckfast67uk

We only have your word to take for that.

I suspect that you have just said that with the delusional idea that it makes your argument stronger.

For the record i don't like Jay either, but don't make stuff up about yourself.

Nope, how insulting. I do have a disability but thanks for the delusional bit.

[Yayita]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Well I am a black female with a mild disability and I do think that there is a hierarchy where white, able-bodied, heterosexual men think they sit on top ala Jay. Anyone who deviates from this is often seen as inferior and ripe for mockery (gay people, women, black/ British Asians, people with disability). Jay likes casual racist jokes because the jokes about black men who deviate from 'white man' ideal. And if you dare to challenge this white able bodied heterosexual men often say 'oh, you can't take a joke, it's just banter' etc.

People cant make jokes anymore, I am from the US and sensitivity towards races, sex, creeds, religion, weight and physical attributes are at an all time high. People shouldn't take things so seriously. It's ok to laugh at each other once in a while, the things that make us different are hilarious, stereotypes exist because they are true most of the time and funny! We should embrace our differences and celebrate them and not take it so darn serious all the time!

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by Yayita

People cant make jokes anymore, I am from the US and sensitivity towards races, sex, creeds, religion, weight and physical attributes are at an all time high. People shouldn't take things so seriously. It's ok to laugh at each other once in a while, the things that make us different are hilarious, stereotypes exist because they are true most of the time and funny! We should embrace our differences and celebrate them and not take it so darn serious all the time!

It's a fair point Yayita but it's not a perfect world unfortunetly, and Gay people, Women, Ethnic people, do have struggles to overcome, which are unique to them. But yes everything works better if you can joke about it.