[Incensed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

And also BB told Jay and Louise that they couldn't tell Aaron they'd bough them apparently

Yep.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But he didn't know about it, till the presents were delivered at the party

Because it was a deliberate move to humiliate, embarrass and belittle Aaron. If they had intended otherwise: they would have let him know before hand that they had at least changed their minds, gone against what all 3 of them agreed (not on one occasion, but on two) - and would have given Aaron the option of whether he wanted to be put into that embarrassing position or not.

It was deliberate and anyone who cannot see that, imo, surely must have a blinkered view.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They didn't agree that as a group though, Aaron ruled himself out and told Jay and Louise to go ahead if they wanted to before the two of them had made their decision

Yes, but they still said no in there. Do you not think it would have been more courteous of them to let him know that they were doing and give him one last chance? Even if he said no atleast he would have been more prepared.

Originally Posted by Incensed

Then why when Jay and Louise came out of the diary room after telling BB that they would like to buy the presents, did Aaron look at them and tell them they were silly (or words to that effect) Imo, he must have known.

I thought it was just cos they were giggling like kids he seemed pretty shocked when the presents arrived at the party.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes, but they still said no in there. Do you not think it would have been more courteous of them to let him know that they were doing and give him one last chance? Even if he said no atleast he would have been more prepared.



I thought it was just cos they were giggling like kids he seemed pretty shocked when the presents arrived at the party.

He called the idiots before they went in to buy them, I have it on my virgin recorded programmes.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

And also BB told Jay and Louise that they couldn't tell Aaron they'd bough them apparently

I can't recall this?

If so, it shows that suddenly, Jay who had no respect for BB on many occasions, suddenly decided to listen to BB at that point?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Ok forget the comparrison, maybe it's not quite the same thing.

What is evident though is the fact that Aaron knew as they went in the diary room to buy the presents that they were going to buy them. So he did still have the opportunity to change his mind and buy them, or at very least, ask Jay and Loiuse if they had changed their minds and bought them something.He could then have offered to buy them a cheaper gift with his 900 pound rather than act all prissy about it.

I don't think he did, he seemed surprised when the gifts arrived

Originally Posted by MTVN

And also BB told Jay and Louise that they couldn't tell Aaron they'd bough them apparently

Yes, but they should have said it to him before they went in anyway, to give him the opportunity to be involved.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes, but they still said no in there. Do you not think it would have been more courteous of them to let him know that they were doing and give him one last chance? Even if he said no atleast he would have been more prepared.

Yeah they should have let him know but still, it was never a group agreement not to buy them and I don't see how getting someone a Ł500 present without telling Aaron is the same as Aaron going back on an agreement to give Jay Ł20,000

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I can't recall this?

If so, it shows that suddenly, Jay who had no respect for BB on many occasions, suddenly decided to listen to BB at that point?

They told them they can't say anything to anyone. I think they meant Tom and Alex though..Jay and louise used it as an excuse for not letting on to Aaron..I don't think Jay or louise were trying to make Aaron look bad though.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah they should have let him know but still, it was never a group agreement not to buy them and I don't see how getting someone a Ł500 present without telling Aaron is the same as Aaron going back on an agreement to give Jay Ł20,000

There is no but. They should have, they didn't. So to berate Aaron for doing the same thing as they did - is stupid imo.

It was a group agreement. check the diary footage again.

It is the exact same principle as the Jay comparison re the winnings. EXACTLY.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah they should have let him know but still, it was never a group agreement not to buy them and I don't see how getting someone a Ł500 present without telling Aaron is the same as Aaron going back on an agreement to give Jay Ł20,000

No, I never argued that it was, I was only responding to Incensed question a few posts back. I think he should honour his agreement (as long as he gets the 10K)

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I can't recall this?

If so, it shows that suddenly, Jay who had no respect for BB on many occasions, suddenly decided to listen to BB at that point?

It was in one of the FB clips that didn't make the HL's and Jay has often listened to BB, he acknowledged and accepted both of the warnings they gave him and he carried out BB's instructions to tell the rest of the housemates to stop trashing the place early on

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There is no but. They should have, they didn't. So to berate Aaron for doing the same thing as they did - is stupid imo.

It was a group agreement. check the diary footage again.

It is the exact same principle as the Jay comparison re the winnings. EXACTLY.

Nope, we've already clarified this

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No, I never argued that it was, I was only responding to Incensed question a few posts back. I think he should honour his agreement (as long as he gets the 10K)

Yeah that's fair enough

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There is no but.

It was a group agreement. check the diary footage again.

It is the exact same principle as the Jay comparison re the winnings. EXACTLY.

But Aaron told them they could please themselves if they wanted to buy them..they said no originally, but then pleased themselves by buying them in the end...No big issue,

The only person in the wrong really was aaron and his over the top reaction to the whole thing.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They told them they can't say anything to anyone. I think they meant Tom and Alex though..Jay and louise used it as an excuse for not letting on to Aaron..I don't think Jay or louise were trying to make Aaron look bad though.

So they didn't out and out say BB told them not to tell Aaron specifically, which is very much what MTVN was implying (certainly it came across that way in his post). ?

If what you have said is correct - I agree with you - it sounds like a lame way of those two trying to cover up their own guilt at knowing what they were doing was 'shay-day'. Kinda like the wine.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It was in one of the FB clips that didn't make the HL's and Jay has often listened to BB, he acknowledged and accepted both of the warnings they gave him and he carried out BB's instructions to tell the rest of the housemates to stop trashing the place early on

Jay listened to BB that much that he had to be pulled into the diary room and told "This is not the first time that BB has had to speak to you about such behaviour...".

Yep, that very much sounds like Jay listened to BB.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

So they didn't out and out say BB told them not to tell Aaron specifically, which is very much what MTVN was implying (certainly it came across that way in his post). ?

If what you have said is correct - I agree with you - it sounds like a lame way of those two trying to cover up their own guilt at knowing what they were doing was 'shay-day'. Kinda like the wine.

Yeah it's true, but my point and belief is that they didn't really know what they were doing or know how it would look..Jay did apologise after it anyway so it should have all been forgotten....sigh, but well, we all know it wans't.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yeah it's true, but my point and belief is that they didn't really know what they were doing or know how it would look..Jay did apologise after it anyway so it should have all been forgotten....sigh, but well, we all know it wans't.

The fact that Jay stated he regretted it, pretty much as soon as he agreed to it (with Louise) - tells it's own story.

I think he realised he really had not thought about it: and thus: his initial gut feeling that he had were correct (ie: the both times he said quite categorically NO WAY). That's why he was so bloody angry later on: not at Aaron - but at himself.

anyway: this is all ifs, what, why's.

I wish either Aaron or Jay would speak up about it and clear the matter up once and for all. !!

[thesheriff443]

aaron should split the money!,they shook on the deal!,regardless of anything else that went on previously,

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yeah it's true, but my point and belief is that they didn't really know what they were doing or know how it would look..Jay did apologise after it anyway so it should have all been forgotten....sigh, but well, we all know it wans't.

Yeah, it should have been forgotten, but Aaron felt soooo bad at not buying them a present that he made up for it by ruining their birthday party by sulking and pouting most of the evening. I'm sorry, but if he felt bad as has been suggested he would have tried to make amends.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

aaron should split the money!,they shook on the deal!,regardless of anything else that went on previously,

Why disregard what had happened? Because it suits Jay fans / non Aaron fans to do so?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Incensed

Yeah, it should have been forgotten, but Aaron felt soooo bad at not buying them a present that he made up for it by ruining their birthday party by sulking and pouting most of the evening. I'm sorry, but if he felt bad as has been suggested he would have tried to make amends.

he should not have been placed in that position in the first place.

Subsequently: he should not be placed in a position that he has to make amends for a situation that he did not create.

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

he should not have been placed in that position in the first place.

Subsequently: he should not be placed in a position that he has to make amends for a situation that he did not create.

Out of respect to Alex and Tom (who had nothing to do with the buying or not of presents) he should have at least tried to make their party a happy occasion. Instead he chose to behave in a childish manner.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Incensed

Out of respect to Alex and Tom (who had nothing to do with the buying or not of presents) he should have at least tried to make their party a happy occasion. Instead he chose to behave in a childish manner.

They only showed the bits of him sulking on HLs, they left out him dancing and enjoying himself. Also, I think the initial "sulk" would have been avoided had he known that Louise and Jay had bought the presents earlier.

[psychtracker]

Totally agree with MTVN on this one. It's double standards for people on this board to be vocal in expecting Alex to share her winnings because of the agreement, and then saying Aaron shouldn't - or being prepared to defend him if he doesn't. And the whole presentgate reference is pure clutching at straws. Aaron initiated the 30/20 split, and it was made well after presentgate had blown over. You'd just as well be arguing that Aaron shouldn't split his earnings with Jay because of an argument they had in week 3, it's completely irrelevant. As they say, a deal is a deal!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Incensed

Out of respect to Alex and Tom (who had nothing to do with the buying or not of presents) he should have at least tried to make their party a happy occasion. Instead he chose to behave in a childish manner.

he removed himself from an incredibly embarrassing situation. I wonder how any of us here posting about it would have felt in Aaron's position.

I know for an absolute fact that I too would have removed myself: through anger, embarrassment and complete bewilderment why 2 people who had agreed with me only a short while ago: would put me in such a horrible position.

I do not think Aaron did anything wrong here. And I say that as me being a human being with feelings: and not as an Aaron fan.