[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Whickham's Tyne and Wear, but where his mum's from is in county Durham. Just living somewhere doesn't necessarily make you the same categorisation as others who were born there though. I've been down south for over 20 years now, but I'm still a mackem as I was born in Sunderland, so I guess it depends on where Jay was born, which we don't really know do we?

Re: Alex not being a Geordie, she does actually have more claim to being a Geordie than Jay, if Jay was actually born in Durham that is, as South Shields is actually on the banks of the Tyne.

Jay grew up in Byker. His mother is now from Ouston, Jay is now from Whickham.

Unsure where he was born though, but he lived in Byker for quite a while

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Were you on the show this year -saying this? Which housemate were you because I can't recall you ?

I ask because I thought we were discussing housemates and where they live/come from/ their background.....

Erm im saying that im not from cardiff but say i am as its the closest place to where im from that people will know of and i lived there for 4 years.

This is in relation to the thread as im backing up Jay calling himself Geordie even though he does live outside there but has lived in Newcastle.

Stop nit picking.

And you talked about yourself being from near Glasgow so you're doing the same thing.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Jay grew up in Byker. His mother is now from Ouston, Jay is now from Whickham.

Unsure where he was born though, but he lived in Byker for quite a while

he's verging on dating one too by the sounds of Louise....

(sorry sorry).

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Is it fair to say that as far as being regarded as a true Geordie....that the opinion is, Jay is not?

Perhaps a Plastic Geordie, but what one regards as true Geordie in the true nature and understanding of the term?

Jay certainly fits all the cliches of Geordies - vain, superficial, ignorant, ill-mannered, shallow, sexist, aggressive, etc. all Geordie traits if we're generalising. In the name of balance and fairness though, there's a few less negative cliched Geordie traits too that he fits the stereotype for I suppose - party animal, has a way with the ladies, etc.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

How long does it take to explain what you've just written there - that you're from a village called Pontlottyn which is near Cardiff? It surely can't take more than a second more than saying you're from Cardiff.

Erm no actually because people are allways like "what, where?, how do you spell that? is that near Cardiff?"

So its easier for me to say im from Cardiff or Merthyr which are places most people have heard of and not that far from where i lived when i was younger but have lived in all 3 places.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Is it fair to say that as far as being regarded as a true Geordie....that the opinion is, Jay is not?

Perhaps a Plastic Geordie, but what one regards as true Geordie in the true nature and understanding of the term?

No. Depends where he was born and grew up. Which we dont know.

On the 'where you were born thing' I wouldnt say that matters as much as where you spent the majority of your childhood. I mean, my Gav was born in Manchester, but literally when he was about a week old his mother moved to newcastle. So he classes himself as a geordie. Whether this is right or wrong I dont know, but it seems a bit daft to consider yourself from manchester just because you were born in a hospital there

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Jay grew up in Byker. His mother is now from Ouston, Jay is now from Whickham.

Unsure where he was born though, but he lived in Byker for quite a while

Maybe he is a proper Geordie then. His accent is definitely more Geordie than Mackem. As I said at the beginning of this though, the Geordies are welcome to him.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Maybe he is a proper Geordie then. His accent is definitely more Geordie than Mackem. As I said at the beginning of this though, the Geordies are welcome to him.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Oh and im from a tiny village in Wales called Pontlottyn but because no one knows where it is i say im from Cardiff. This means i am decieving people and must be punished

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Were you on the show this year -saying this? Which housemate were you because I can't recall you ?

I ask because I thought we were discussing housemates and where they live/come from/ their background.....

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Erm im saying that im not from cardiff but say i am as its the closest place to where im from that people will know of and i lived there for 4 years.

This is in relation to the thread as im backing up Jay calling himself Geordie even though he does live outside there but has lived in Newcastle.

Stop nit picking.

And you talked about yourself being from near Glasgow so you're doing the same thing.

Please see the run of replies above. This is about Jay and whether HE has given deceitful information in which to persuade the public about his background/trappings.

I made it very clear in posts that this is not about fms here and how they choose to explain what they are regarded as.....as this has no bearing on JAY and in JAY making out he is something that he is not.

[BBfan6418]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Is it fair to say that as far as being regarded as a true Geordie....that the opinion is, Jay is not?

Perhaps a Plastic Geordie, but what one regards as true Geordie in the true nature and understanding of the term?

Probably more fair to say no one knows what he is. The guy is 27 years old. How do you know he didn't live in newcastle for 20 years? Most of you are speculating what he is by where he lives now.

[mizzy25]

im from newcastle and im old lol theres an old saying that says to be a proper geordie u have to be born within 5 miles of the banks of the river tyne on the newcastle side. these days that wud mean the quayside. i was born in heaton about 2 miles from there so im a *proper* geordie. cheryl cole is a *proper* geordie joe mcelderry is not. jay unless he was born within 5 miles of tha banks of the river tyne is not a *proper* geordie.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No. Depends where he was born and grew up. Which we dont know.

On the 'where you were born thing' I wouldnt say that matters as much as where you spent the majority of your childhood. I mean, my Gav was born in Manchester, but literally when he was about a week old his mother moved to newcastle. So he classes himself as a geordie. Whether this is right or wrong I dont know, but it seems a bit daft to consider yourself from manchester just because you were born in a hospital there

I was born in a hospital outwith where I live, I don't say I come from where that hospital is: that's daft, I agree....!! If we are going down that line, the joke is;

"So where d'you come from"
"My mother"




I thought we have agreed that he has been deceptive in respect of his 'have nowt' background - and has been very economical with the truth, and has used his 'ah just a normal Geordie' type - to reinforce his not so humble background/lifestyle - which is in essence, is the heart of the matter.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Please see the run of replies above. This is about Jay and whether HE has given deceitful information in which to persuade the public about his background/trappings.

I made it very clear in posts that this is not about fms here and how they choose to explain what they are regarded as.....as this has no bearing on JAY and in JAY making out he is something that he is not.

Im fully aware of this.

Im backing up Jay saying that just because he calls himself Geordie but lives outside there does not mean he is decieving fans but that he classes himself as Geordie.

I am very much on topic as you were when YOU were talking about where you are from.

Do you finally understand or shall i repeat it for the fourth time?

[mizzy25]

jay without a doubt had a string geordie accent more so than a mackem wud (person from sunderland)

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Erm no actually because people are allways like "what, where?, how do you spell that? is that near Cardiff?"

So its easier for me to say im from Cardiff or Merthyr which are places most people have heard of and not that far from where i lived when i was younger but have lived in all 3 places.

How much more difficult is it to say "I'm from a village called Pontlottyn which is near Cardiff" than it is is to say "I'm from Cardiff"? I know Welsh is a difficult language to speak but there must be less than a seconds difference to say the first sentence rather than the not quite true second one. And if anyone knows Cardiff then their next question might well be "Where abouts in Cardiff" at which point you've then got to backtrack and explain you're not really from Cardiff, but actually from a village just outside Cardiff called Pontlottyn. That's got to take longer than just being truthful to start with.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

How much more difficult is it to say "I'm from a village called Pontlottyn which is near Cardiff" than it is is to say "I'm from Cardiff"? I know Welsh is a difficult language to speak but there must be less than a seconds difference to say the first sentence rather than the not quite true second one. And if anyone knows Cardiff then their next question might well be "Where abouts in Cardiff" at which point you've then got to backtrack and explain you're not really from Cardiff, but actually from a village just outside Cardiff called Pontlottyn. That's got to take longer than just being truthful to start with.

Mate get over it.

Im speaking from personal experience. It gets very annoying when you have to explain for the millionth time where Pontlottyn is and how to spell it and people giggling as its the back of beyond so i just simplify it to Cardiff where i did live for 4 years and isnt to far which cuts the conversation as they have heard of it.

End of discussion.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I thought we have agreed that he has been deceptive in respect of his 'have nowt' background - and has been very economical with the truth, and has used his 'ah just a normal Geordie' type - to reinforce his not so humble background/lifestyle - which is in essence, is the heart of the matter.

He HAS been 'economical with the truth' about having nothing etc.

But not (as far as we can tell without knowing his full address history since birth) about actually being a geordie...

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Mate get over it.

Im speaking from personal experience. It gets very annoying when you have to explain for the millionth time where Pontlottyn is and how to spell it and people giggling as its the back of beyond so i just simplify it to Cardiff where i did live for 4 years and isnt to far which cuts the conversation as they have heard of it.

End of discussion.

Lol. consider me over it. I do now know where Pontlottyn is though (it's near Cardiff apparently) so it's not been a totally wasted afternoon.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This bit makes me laugh too.

Alex wasnt a geordie, far from it. Jay was closer to a 'real' geordie than Alex was

South Shields is 2 minutes away from Newcastle where as Sunderland is a little bit further away isnt it?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Newcastle's not, and never has been in the same county as Durham though, unlike Sunderland which is closer to Durham than Newcastle and was part of the same county until about 30 years ago (possibly slightly longer, can't be arsed to look it up).

His choice though, he can either be a Mackem or a Plastic Geordie.

This clamoring to be a Geodie is nothing new though, even the cast of Geordie Shore weren't all Geordies. There was a girl from Sunderland, who didn't really mention that, and there was a girl from Middlesbrough who tried to claim she was a Geordie and not a Smoggy, despite the fact you have to drive through, or at least past, Sunderland to get to Newcastle from Boro.

Haha I was going to mention that, the others weren't too happy when she admitted it, according to her being a Geordie is a "lifestyle" though

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

South Shields is 2 minutes away from Newcastle where as Sunderland is a little bit further away isnt it?

I think you may find you are very much mistaken there.

Took me 40 mins on the metro to get to shields Takes about 20-30 mins by car as far as I am aware, though I have never counted.

And Jay isnt from Sunderland.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

He HAS been 'economical with the truth' about having nothing etc.

But not (as far as we can tell without knowing his full address history since birth) about actually being a geordie...

Okay. that sound feasible!

BTW Mumbles: Smoggy? That's a new one - I'm scared to ask about that through fear of it starting off again.

[Vicky.]

Smoggy = teeside

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Lol. consider me over it. I do now know where Pontlottyn is though (it's near Cardiff apparently) so it's not been a totally wasted afternoon.

But true.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Smoggy = teeside

Ah..., thanks! I'm not going to ask for clarification as to that being as in Tyne and Wear......... I'm not doing it. Not going there. Nope. Not been drawn into it.

The one thing that this has been great for: is how people do view where they live and seeing all the different opinions etc.

Now....shall we tackle Cockney's? Just for sheer hell of it?

nah... maybe not.