[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

It's a thing that has been blown way out of proportion, and it's basically because of "the big man" wading in. He is the one to blame.

There would have nothing to have been blown out of proportion if

1. The yob had the correct ticket and not tried to lie his way out of it
2. The yob hadn't spent a good 5 mins or so verbally abusing the conductor
3. The yob did as he was asked to do: get off the train.

Everything occurred as a direct result of the yob's actions.

[fruit_cake]

when big man waded in the situation escalated imo

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Lowlife was very clearly used to describe the yob in question - what are you suggesting?

Would have thought it was fairly obvious what I said, I didnt suggest anything I asked what you were suggesting.

No need for evading the issue or deflecting the question.

What did you mean by saying "makes us ashamed of having such lowlife (overall - not just on Tibb) "?

The way I read the comment is that there are lowlife all around, not just on Tibb. Therefore you are suggesting some members are lowlife.

Would these lowlife be the people who in your eyes are defending the yob? As far as I can see there are very few people who have defended the yob's actions, most people are in fact simply condeming the Big Man's actions.

Thats probably a difference too subtle for you to grasp but believe me there is a big difference.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Snowball

There would have nothing to have been blown out of proportion if

1. The yob had the correct ticket and not tried to lie his way out of it
2. The yob hadn't spent a good 5 mins or so verbally abusing the conductor
3. The yob did as he was asked to do: get off the train.

Everything occurred as a direct result of the yob's actions.

No.

It's all the big mans fault. And partly the ticket inspector. He should be fired and big man arrested.

[InOne]

And before you go on at me, I don't defend the way the kid acted either

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Would have thought it was fairly obvious what I said, I didnt suggest anything I asked what you were suggesting.

No need for evading the issue or deflecting the question.

What did you mean by saying "makes us ashamed of having such lowlife (overall - not just on Tibb) "?

The way I read the comment is that there are lowlife all around, not just on Tibb. Therefore you are suggesting some members are lowlife.

Would these lowlife be the people who in your eyes are defending the yob? As far as I can see there are very few people who have defended the yob's actions, most people are in fact simply condeming the Big Man's actions.

Thats probably a difference too subtle for you to grasp but believe me there is a big difference.

Perhaps you should try to not to twist what a poster writes in your very shallow attempt to flame and instead, put more into reading what I stated very obviously.

Given that not everyone agrees on here, there may be some others on here who may also regard this yob as lowlife - judging by some of the comments of others on Tibb as to how they view this guy. They may, they may not.

No need for your insulting comments either - or perhaps that's the only way you are able to put over your points.

I don't believe most people are condeming the Big Man's actions - and I stated why in an earlier post.

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[arista]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

And before you go on at me, I don't defend the way the kid acted either

Good as he was Pissed and Swearing
10mins before the mobile was even started

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

And before you go on at me, I don't defend the way the kid acted either

Here is a simple question. Given that the incident would never have occurred if the 'the kid' (19 year old) - had simply ensured he had the correct ticket: do you honestly feel that it is justified that his actions, and subsequent actions of all invovled - and this yob's pushing it into the media /public in the way he has that the following may (slim) but may happen

1. He ends up charges with several offences, and may end up with a criminal record - which may impact on his career.
2. The Big Man has is charged with assault and ends up with a criminal record and may possibly lose his job (as we have no idea if this could be an impact
3. A Scotrail employee may be fired at such a late stage in his life.

All of which could happen - all because this little bit of scum thought he could get away with fare dogding and all that resulted as a consequence of HIS actions.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Here is a simple question. Given that the incident would never have occurred if the 'the kid' (19 year old) - had simply ensured he had the correct ticket: do you honestly feel that it is justified that his actions, and subsequent actions of all invovled - and this yob's pushing it into the media /public in the way he has that the following may (slim) but may happen

1. He ends up charges with several offences, and may end up with a criminal record - which may impact on his career.
2. The Big Man has is charged with assault and ends up with a criminal record and may possibly lose his job (as we have no idea if this could be an impact
3. A Scotrail employee may be fired at such a late stage in his life.

All of which could happen - all because this little bit of scum thought he could get away with fare dogding and all that resulted as a consequence of HIS actions.

Every person is only responsible for their own actions. No, that boy shouldn't have behaved the way he did but he can't be responsible for the reactions of the other 2 people involved. Firstly, it was not the place or responsibility of The Big man to act as a security guard or Police officer and secondly The conductor should have been doing his job properly and followed the rails proper procedures in dealing with situations like this.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Yes. Every newspaper article on the story that allows comments that I have read, has overwhelming support of the Big Man.

And it is these very people that complain regularly about crime levels and how 'disgusting' some crimes are becoming, yet fail to understand what needs to be done to combat the problem, and that in fact their beliefs on stories like these will only continue to inadvertently increase levels of crime because they are advocating such behaviour. It makes me so ****ing annoyed to see such blatant stupidity, but then again the Daily Mail comments section is always worth a laugh.

Originally Posted by Snowball

Here is a simple question. Given that the incident would never have occurred if the 'the kid' (19 year old) - had simply ensured he had the correct ticket: do you honestly feel that it is justified that his actions, and subsequent actions of all invovled - and this yob's pushing it into the media /public in the way he has that the following may (slim) but may happen

1. He ends up charges with several offences, and may end up with a criminal record - which may impact on his career.
2. The Big Man has is charged with assault and ends up with a criminal record and may possibly lose his job (as we have no idea if this could be an impact
3. A Scotrail employee may be fired at such a late stage in his life.

All of which could happen - all because this little bit of scum thought he could get away with fare dogding and all that resulted as a consequence of HIS actions.

Yes, I agree with all of those. Because funnily enough it wasn't just the guy that was in the wrong, so was the 'big man' and train conductor. There's a saying it takes two to tango, well in this case it's three. None of them should be let off because for starters two of them (the guy and the 'big man') committed a crime, one of which is actually worse than the other (physical abuse rather than verbal abuse, again funnily enough), and the train conductor incited all the unnecessary physical force, so perhaps the 'big man' should blame his idiocy in the event that he is charged. Of course it all stems from the guy attempting to fare dodge initially, but that doesn't mean that the other two should are angels here because both of them handled the situation unprofessionally in the case of the train conductor, and illegally in the case of Alan Pollock.

Regardless, you cannot assume that you can blame someone else's actions for yours, you must take responsibility for your own and so that's why all involved are in the wrong and should all face fitting consequences, and again before you begin moaning, that includes the 19 year old.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Perhaps you should try to not to twist what a poster writes in your very shallow attempt to flame and instead, put more into reading what I stated very obviously.

Given that not everyone agrees on here, there may be some others on here who may also regard this yob as lowlife - judging by some of the comments of others on Tibb as to how they view this guy. They may, they may not.

No need for your insulting comments either - or perhaps that's the only way you are able to put over your points.

I don't believe most people are condeming the Big Man's actions - and I stated why in an earlier post.

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Kettle pot - grimey arse

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shasown

As far as I can see there are very few people who have defended the yob's actions, most people are in fact simply condeming the Big Man's actions.

It appears that, on this thread, you are wrong :

Was the Big Man right or wrong to throw the boy off the train?

Right 16 47.06%
Wrong 18 52.94%

An almost even split .....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

It appears that, on this thread, you are wrong :

Right 16 47.06%
Wrong 18 52.94%

NO NO NO


That Pole I said put up
a Mod did it
More still have to Vote as they posted BEFORE the pole

[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

NO NO NO


That Pole I said put up
a Mod did it
More still have to Vote as they posted BEFORE the pole

Democracy in action - only votes that have been cast count .....

[Pyramid*]

[]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Every person is only responsible for their own actions. No, that boy shouldn't have behaved the way he did but he can't be responsible for the reactions of the other 2 people involved. Firstly, it was not the place or responsibility of The Big man to act as a security guard or Police officer and secondly The conductor should have been doing his job properly and followed the rails proper procedures in dealing with situations like this.

Every action has a reaction. His actions caused the reactions.

Originally Posted by Shasown

Kettle pot - grimey arse

Ditto.

Originally Posted by Omah

It appears that, on this thread, you are wrong :

Was the Big Man right or wrong to throw the boy off the train?

Right 16 47.06%
Wrong 18 52.94%

An almost even split .....

Indeed. if people look at newspapers online which allow comments: it's overwhelming support for the Big Man on every one of them.

There is one poster who tried to vote here but the poll stated they had already voted - when they hadn't - and that was a vote for the Big Man.

Tibb is not representative of the UK public. It's representative of people who are, in the main, fans of the reality TV show BB - which is the main reason they were drawn to a site that was set up specifically for fans of BB. As we all know, that is nowhere close to represening the UK public.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And it is these very people that complain regularly about crime levels and how 'disgusting' some crimes are becoming, yet fail to understand what needs to be done to combat the problem, and that in fact their beliefs on stories like these will only continue to inadvertently increase levels of crime because they are advocating such behaviour. It makes me so ****ing annoyed to see such blatant stupidity, but then again the Daily Mail comments section is always worth a laugh.



Yes, I agree with all of those. Because funnily enough it wasn't just the guy that was in the wrong, so was the 'big man' and train conductor. There's a saying it takes two to tango, well in this case it's three. None of them should be let off because for starters two of them (the guy and the 'big man') committed a crime, one of which is actually worse than the other (physical abuse rather than verbal abuse, again funnily enough), and the train conductor incited all the unnecessary physical force, so perhaps the 'big man' should blame his idiocy in the event that he is charged. Of course it all stems from the guy attempting to fare dodge initially, but that doesn't mean that the other two should are angels here because both of them handled the situation unprofessionally in the case of the train conductor, and illegally in the case of Alan Pollock.

Regardless, you cannot assume that you can blame someone else's actions for yours, you must take responsibility for your own and so that's why all involved are in the wrong and should all face fitting consequences, and again before you begin moaning, that includes the 19 year old.

If you don't like the comments in the DM, have a check on the Daily Record - a Scottish Newspaper - it's the same comments on there - overwhelming support for the Big Man. Perhaps even check out the Guardian if that's more your scene - same thing there.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

Democracy in action - only votes that have been cast count .....

Typical from you ,who in general ,Only post Bloated BBC Links.


More will Vote on this.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

Typical from you ,who in general ,Only post Bloated BBC Links.


More will Vote on this.

Then those votes will count .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

Then those votes will count .....

Not if when some fms are trying to vote and the poll tells them that they have already voted: when they have not.

[arista]

I was the First Voter for the Big Man

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Not if when some fms are trying to vote and the poll tells them that they have already voted: when they have not.

Wondered about the relevance of the quotes you have now edited out.

Calm down, deep breaths then post

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Wondered about the relevance of the quotes you have now edited out.

Calm down, deep breaths then post

Nope: no matter how often I deselect them - they aren't coming off the multi quote, even when I am only quoting a single post and keep showing again.... been happening every single time I post.

No need for deep breaths here.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Nope: no matter how often I deselect them - they aren't coming off the multi quote, even when I am only quoting a single post and keep showing again.... been happening every single time I post.

No need for deep breaths here.

Try logging out of site, then clear cookies temp internet files and browsing history from your browser tools menu.

Big Breaths?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Try logging out of site, then clear cookies temp internet files and browsing history from your browser tools menu.

Big Breaths?

I'll give that a bash later, cheers.

Big Breaths....with MY lungs!! Aye right, I'll crack the jokes!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I'll give that a bash later, cheers.

Big Breaths....with MY lungs!! Aye right, I'll crack the jokes!

I was typing with my lisp