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Originally Posted by Snowball

Yes. Every newspaper article on the story that allows comments that I have read, has overwhelming support of the Big Man.

And it is these very people that complain regularly about crime levels and how 'disgusting' some crimes are becoming, yet fail to understand what needs to be done to combat the problem, and that in fact their beliefs on stories like these will only continue to inadvertently increase levels of crime because they are advocating such behaviour. It makes me so ****ing annoyed to see such blatant stupidity, but then again the Daily Mail comments section is always worth a laugh.

Originally Posted by Snowball

Here is a simple question. Given that the incident would never have occurred if the 'the kid' (19 year old) - had simply ensured he had the correct ticket: do you honestly feel that it is justified that his actions, and subsequent actions of all invovled - and this yob's pushing it into the media /public in the way he has that the following may (slim) but may happen

1. He ends up charges with several offences, and may end up with a criminal record - which may impact on his career.
2. The Big Man has is charged with assault and ends up with a criminal record and may possibly lose his job (as we have no idea if this could be an impact
3. A Scotrail employee may be fired at such a late stage in his life.

All of which could happen - all because this little bit of scum thought he could get away with fare dogding and all that resulted as a consequence of HIS actions.

Yes, I agree with all of those. Because funnily enough it wasn't just the guy that was in the wrong, so was the 'big man' and train conductor. There's a saying it takes two to tango, well in this case it's three. None of them should be let off because for starters two of them (the guy and the 'big man') committed a crime, one of which is actually worse than the other (physical abuse rather than verbal abuse, again funnily enough), and the train conductor incited all the unnecessary physical force, so perhaps the 'big man' should blame his idiocy in the event that he is charged. Of course it all stems from the guy attempting to fare dodge initially, but that doesn't mean that the other two should are angels here because both of them handled the situation unprofessionally in the case of the train conductor, and illegally in the case of Alan Pollock.

Regardless, you cannot assume that you can blame someone else's actions for yours, you must take responsibility for your own and so that's why all involved are in the wrong and should all face fitting consequences, and again before you begin moaning, that includes the 19 year old.