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fruit_cake · 16-12-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Yes his action caused the reactions but the people who reacted were the only ones responsible for how they did so. By your logic for example, it would be ok for a man to shoot his wife in the head if he caught her having an affair as it would be a reaction to her actions. Which of course is absurd, the man would be 100% responsible for his own actions.

The conductor was dealing with a situation in his place of work, he did not react in the correct way (as was stated by Scotrail) The Big man reacted by taking the law into his own hands which was wrong (which he was fully aware of when he stated to another passenger that he was aware he may be arrested for doing what he did)

I agree, it seems people are trying to make an argument that because the 19 year old was a bit aggressive and should of bought a ticket, that somehow means people like big man have a licence to do whatever they like to him.

basically it seems to me they are saying that if you don't follow the rules your fair game to be abused and assaulted by anyone who feels like it.

Omah · 16-12-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Omah

19 Right
18 Wrong

I know - I've already posted it .....

Niall · 16-12-2011, 03:01 PM

Though the guy was right to throw him off the train in theory, the way he actually carried it out was far too rough. I didn't like the way he was just throwing him around. It was a bit much really. :/

Like I and others have said though, they were in the right to throw him off the train of course.

LeatherTrumpet · 16-12-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by christmas_cake

I agree, it seems people are trying to make an argument that because the 19 year old was a bit aggressive and should of bought a ticket, that somehow means people like big man have a licence to do whatever they like to him.

basically it seems to me they are saying that if you don't follow the rules your fair game to be abused and assaulted by anyone who feels like it.

It illustrates that selfish teenage immature w ankers are not tolerated by joe public in Scotland

lily. · 16-12-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Still no excuse for this so-called 'big man' to use physical force against him though. Yeah, I'm not denying the 19 year old was clearly in the wrong, but if he needed to be removed then it should have been up to the relevant authorities to do that, not some passenger on a train who thinks he can take matters into his own hands in to be honest, what looks like an attempt to show off to everybody else on the train.

At the end of the day the 19 year old didn't exert any physical force or violence himself and so the 'big man' had no right to either...and the use of bad language doesn't automatically mean you can do that either, they're not on the same level at all. Oh, and the applause was totally pathetic.

Both are in the wrong here if you ask me.

This thread is TL;DR, but I got as far as the first 2 pages, and I totally agree with Jack.

The boy didn't show the right ticket. He cursed at the inspector. Ideally, the inspector should have means to contact the station security or police who would remove the boy from the train, because it was clear to me that the boy wasn't about to remove himself and knew the inspector wouldn't physically remove him. As far as I was previously aware, the rail company regulations state that if an issue like this arises on a train, the journey is not to be held up, but the next station is to be contacted so that security personnel will be waiting there to escort them off. If this is indeed the rules, then the inspector was wasting his time arguing with the boy. He should have taken that action, thus ensuring none of the other passengers were inconvenienced.

The 'big man' probably got pissed off with the boy smart-mouthing the inspector and about having to wait around listening to them arguing, so he got up and chucked him out. I'm sure he probably now regrets this, as he will be charged with assault for his actions, and from what I know of him, he's a decent, law-abiding citizen the rest of the time.

I understand why he did it, and I'm sure a lot of people might have done the same, but it's not right, and he will rightly be charged for it. I expect he'll know that himself though.

So, Jack's last statement about both being in the wrong is accurate in my view.

Shasown · 16-12-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It illustrates that selfish teenage immature w ankers are not tolerated by joe public in Scotland

Does that mean this isnt the first hiding this lad has had? Pray tell.

Otherwise he was tolerated right up until this incident. And he is almost out of his teens.

One other point to think about, if the yob had been a yobbess would it still be okay for big Man to lift and hurl? If you think it is then suppose gobby teenager was drunk gobby OAP, is it still ok?

You see in the eyes of the law they all have the same rights and responsibilities.

arista · 16-12-2011, 05:36 PM

"if the yob had been a yobbess"

Yes thats a Tricky One
as Pissed Woman Shout - "You Touching Me UP"

So If Female
Next Station with Female Staff or Female Lesbo Coppers.

Note: There is Nothing Wrong with Lesbos

tmi · 16-12-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

For all the people who moan about the price of public transport - it's arseholes like this to blame.

Loads of people get away with fare dodging - this guy got caught - he should have had the sense to take it on the chin and left when he was asked to.

The Scots don't put up with this pish - and it was nice to see a more younger guy helping out the older conductor - who was only doing his job but had a young yob thinking he was some sort of hard man, cursing away at the old guy. He showed him no respect - so the other passenger gave the gobsh*te as dose of his own 'no respect' medicine.

Good on the big guy.

You wouldnt go into a taxi and say Im not paying for the fare would you.

The trouble today people are to pc and then the perpetrator has more rights than the victim the world has gone mad. A minority of young people thinks the world owes them something but in actual fact they owe them fark all.

Shasown · 16-12-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tmi

You wouldnt go into a taxi and say Im not paying for the fare would you.

The trouble today people are to pc and then the perpetrator has more rights than the victim the world has gone mad. A minority of young people thinks the world owes them something but in actual fact they owe them fark all.

Look I have said it before and will say it again morally big man was right, you arent getting an argument with me on that. Legally however its a different game.

As for the taxi question, yeah have taken a taxi and walked into the house without paying, sent the wife god rest her soul out to settle up with the driver.

I have three kids.

tmi · 16-12-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Look I have said it before and will say it again morally big man was right, you arent getting an argument with me on that. Legally however its a different game.

As for the taxi question, yeah have taken a taxi and walked into the house without paying, sent the wife god rest her soul out to settle up with the driver.

I have three kids.

Yep I understand I have children of my own . I hope my children would never do anything like the 19year old in question but if he/she did I hope they would pay up rather than be chucked off the train was that an option? If the burly guy was heavy handed and threatening then yes there would be legal consquences .
The taxi answer above you did pay or should I say wife.

Shasown · 16-12-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tmi

Yep I understand I have children of my own . I hope my children would never do anything like the 19year old in question but if he/she did I hope they would pay up rather than be chucked off the train was that an option? If the burly guy was heavy handed and threatening then yes there would be legal consquences .
The taxi answer above you did pay or should I say wife.

Of course she paid, told you have three kids

Mind you think I have done it about 6 times, so would that mean she blew the other three off?

tmi · 16-12-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Of course she paid, told you have three kids

Mind you think I have done it about 6 times, so would that mean she blew the other three off?

I get your game should have got off in Caerphilly and went to Cardiff, the trip should have been shorter rather than longer.

Shasown · 16-12-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tmi

I get your game should have got off in Caerphilly and went to Cardiff, the trip should have been shorter rather than longer.

LOL yeah but its nice going up the Taff trail, its a lovely ride.

tmi · 16-12-2011, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

LOL yeah but its nice going up the Taff trail, its a lovely ride.

You from around that area.

Shasown · 16-12-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tmi

You from around that area.

No, I used to work down there for a little while.

Niamh. · 16-12-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tmi

You wouldnt go into a taxi and say Im not paying for the fare would you.

The trouble today people are to pc and then the perpetrator has more rights than the victim the world has gone mad. A minority of young people thinks the world owes them something but in actual fact they owe them fark all.

No one is saying the boy was right, the only thing people are saying is the way it was handled was pretty bad. The conductor should have called security and got them to meet him and deal with the boy at the next station instead of riling up the whole train and making the situation 100 times worse.

tmi · 16-12-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

No, I used to work down there for a little while.

On the railways ha ha.

Considering you got my joke.

tmi · 16-12-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

No one is saying the boy was right, the only thing people are saying is the way it was handled was pretty bad. The conductor should have called security and got them to meet him and deal with the boy at the next station instead of riling up the whole train and making the situation 100 times worse.

Mishandled situation seems to happen all the time, youngests seem to be fiery and being man handled just seems to make matters worse. I have to agree with your posts. See both sides of the story.

Shasown · 16-12-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tmi

On the railways ha ha.

Considering you got my joke.

Errr no sorry, I was the undercover member in a covert insertion team respionsible for assessing and then reducing the internacine interactions between valley commandos and rooftop snipers in the late 80's.

Things just havent been the same since Frankie said Relax.

tmi · 16-12-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Errr no sorry, I was the undercover member in a covert insertion team respionsible for assessing and then reducing the internacine interactions between valley commandos and rooftop snipers in the late 80's.

Things just havent been the same since Frankie said Relax.

I had the t shirt from that era so the bib you been on the Call duty to long

Valley commandos