[Niall]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't really know alot about transgenders but surely it's a psychological issue rather than a physical issue?

From what I've read about it, its a psychological thing. The person will often feel that they're trapped or have been born the wrong gender.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Niall

From what I've read about it, its a psychological thing. The person will often feel that they're trapped or have been born the wrong gender.

I understand that but shouldn't it be treated psychologically and not by advocating sex changes which are just mutilating their bodies. I mean it's all well and good saying I should have been born a woman, but they weren't born a woman, shouldn't they try to accept that instead. I mean if someone said, I'm a cat born in a humans body they wouldn't be encouraged to get surgery to try and make them look like one. I don't mean that to sound harsh or dismiss transgenders feelings, I just don't think having a sex change is the answer.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I understand that but shouldn't it be treated psychologically and not by advocating sex changes which are just mutilating their bodies. I mean it's all well and good saying I should have been born a woman, but they weren't born a woman, shouldn't they try to accept that instead. I mean if someone said, I'm a cat born in a humans body they wouldn't be encouraged to get surgery to try and make them look like one. I don't mean that to sound harsh or dismiss transgenders feelings, I just don't think having a sex change is the answer.

I don't agree at all. I do think that if a person feels they are the wrong gender than a rigorous psychological analysis should be applied to the person, to make sure that their feelings can't be resolved in another way.

I think that if the person feels truly unhappy with their gender, then we shouldn't force them to accept it, when their quality of life could be greatly enhanced with an operation. Forcing them to accept that they'll never be able to become the gender they feel is 'correct', is almost akin to saying to a homosexual that their sexual feelings are just a phase.

Its a genuine problem. And if its not sorted it can just cause a plethora of other much more harmful mental disorders later in life.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I understand that but shouldn't it be treated psychologically and not by advocating sex changes which are just mutilating their bodies. I mean it's all well and good saying I should have been born a woman, but they weren't born a woman, shouldn't they try to accept that instead. I mean if someone said, I'm a cat born in a humans body they wouldn't be encouraged to get surgery to try and make them look like one. I don't mean that to sound harsh or dismiss transgenders feelings, I just don't think having a sex change is the answer.

So should all retarded people or disabled people also just accept that they weren't born "normal" or should they try to live how they want to live and over come what they were born with? Why put limitations on someone just because they weren't born "normal"?

Saying a trangendered person should try to accept being born a boy, is just ike saying a person born without 1 leg shouldn't get a prosthetic because they were born without a leg, so they should just accept only having 1 leg.

Why should they try to walk with a prosthetic, they should just accept not having the leg. That's what yur saying.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Niall

I don't agree at all. I do think that if a person feels they are the wrong gender than a rigorous psychological analysis should be applied to the person, to make sure that their feelings can't be resolved in another way.

I think that if the person feels truly unhappy with their gender, then we shouldn't force them to accept it, when their quality of life could be greatly enhanced with an operation. Forcing them to accept that they'll never be able to become the gender they feel is 'correct', is almost akin to saying to a homosexual that their sexual feelings are just a phase.

Its a genuine problem. And if its not sorted it can just cause a plethora of other much more harmful mental disorders later in life.

I really don't see how being gay and being transgender are even comparable. One is sexual orientation and behaviour and the other is thinking you are the opposite gender.

Originally Posted by lostalex

So should all retarded people or disabled people also just accept that they weren't born "normal" or should they try to live how they want to live and over come what they were born with? Why put limitations on someone just because they weren't born "normal"?

Saying a trangendered person should try to accept being born a boy, is just ike saying a person born without 1 leg shouldn't get a prosthetic because they were born without a leg, so they should just accept only having 1 leg.

It's absolutely not the same thing at all Alex.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I really don't see how being gay and being transgender are even comparable. One is sexual orientation and behaviour and the other is thinking you are the opposite gender.

They're comparable in the sense that they were once viewed as a mental disorder.

I think people should be allowed to get a sex change anyway. So long as they are proven to be truly unhappy with their gender identity.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Niall

They're comparable in the sense that they were once viewed as a mental disorder.

I think people should be allowed to get a sex change anyway. So long as they are proven to be truly unhappy with their gender identity.

Well look, it's not going to effect me if someone wants to have a sex change, I'd just imagine that it would leave them feeling even more out of place is all.