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lostalex · 22-02-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just don't see the connection Alex

What kind of a change are you comparing between the two?

The connection is being born in a body that doesn't fit your soul and ambitions. Overcoming physical limitations. But if surgery or technology can assist that person in overcoming those challenges, i don't see how that is a bad thing in any way.

Niamh. · 22-02-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

The connection is being born in a body that doesn't fit your soul and ambitions. Overcoming physical limitations.

Tell me what a disabled person does that is the same as having a sex change, that's what I was asking.

Shaun · 22-02-2012, 12:39 PM

it's sad that childhood innocence and exploration is subjected to scrutiny

Jessica. · 22-02-2012, 12:40 PM

I think it's perfectly acceptable that a child should be allowed to be whoever they want to be, I think it's good to put it in the media, to make people more aware and accepting, rather than judging them.

fruit_cake · 22-02-2012, 12:45 PM

live and let live

lostalex · 22-02-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Tell me what a disabled person does that is the same as having a sex change, that's what I was asking.

disabled people have amputations in order to be better fitted with a prosthetic that would serve them better. Having part of their body chopped off, in order to assist in having a more complete body.

Also disabled people with diseases like schizophrenia, they take chemicals and medication to help them live a better life. You don't see how it's the same thing?

You don't see how medicine and technology improves people's lives despite disorders or disfigurements they are born with?

The idea that you should just accept how you were born, and not seek any help from modern science is crazy to me.

If there is medicine and technology to ease a problem you were born with, why wouldn't you use it? or why would you deny it to your child?

Niamh. · 22-02-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

disabled people have amputations in order to be better fitted with a prosthetic that would serve them better. Having part of their body chopped off, in order to assist in having a more complete body.

Also disabled people with diseases like schizophrenia, they take chemicals and medication to help them live a better life. You don't see how it's the same thing?

You don't see how medicine and technology improves people's lives despite disorders or disfigurements they are born with?

The idea that you should just accept how you were born, and not seek any help from modern science is crazy to me.

I don't know, maybe I don't know enough about it but even after having a sex change they're still not going to be a woman and may end up feeling even more out of place.

I'm really not saying this to be harsh, it's just my thoughts on it. Must be a terrible thing to go through.

Jessica. · 22-02-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

even after having a sex change they're still not going to be a woman

Yes, they are. If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female.

Niamh. · 22-02-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica.

Yes, they are. If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female.

In your opinion, but I bet most straight men wouldn't see them as a woman or a potential partner.

Livia · 22-02-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica.

Yes, they are. If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female.

Except they will still have the Y chromosome, of course. So legally, aesthetically and psychologically they made be regarded as a woman... genetically they will still be a man.

lostalex · 22-02-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica.

Yes, they are. If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female.

I agree. There are plenty of men that would not only accept them as a woman, but some are even more attracted to trans women.

lostalex · 22-02-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

In your opinion, but I bet most straight men wouldn't see them as a woman or a potential partner.

Trans women don't go through transition and surgery and hormones just to IMPRESS str8 men.

They do it to be content with themselves.

lostalex · 22-02-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Except they will still have the Y chromosome, of course. So legally, aesthetically and psychologically they made be regarded as a woman... genetically they will still be a man.

genetically we are 98% identical to apes, so what? What's your point?

Niamh. · 22-02-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

Trans women don't go through transition and surgery and hormones just to IMPRESS str8 men.

They do it to be content with themselves.

I just don't see how they could ever be content having mutilated themselves so much, but maybe that's just me thinking with my own mind, I don't know.

Jordan. · 22-02-2012, 01:05 PM

The parents made it an issue by allowing him to dress as a girl. It'd have probably just been a faze.

Jessica. · 22-02-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Except they will still have the Y chromosome, of course. So legally, aesthetically and psychologically they made be regarded as a woman... genetically they will still be a man.

They can still fall in love and get married and even adopt children. I don't see the big deal about it.

lostalex · 22-02-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just don't see how they could ever be content having mutilated themselves so much, but maybe that's just me thinking with my own mind, I don't know.

yea, and i've been told that i'm "mutilated" because i'm circumsized. Plenty of people have politiucal agendas when it comes to certain offensive words like "mutilated" but i can assure you, i love my C0CK and it's not mutilated., Just cause a large group of people try to intimidate you doesn't mean you can't be happy.

And what about people "mutilated" in automobile accidents or burn victims for whatever reason, are you saying that just because someone looks "mutilated" to you that they can't be happy with themselves??

Maybe they don't feel mutilated, and it's only people TELLING them that they are "mutilated" is the problem.

Kizzy · 22-02-2012, 01:07 PM

Im sure the parents thought it was a phase untill he began to mutilate himself. I would accept it was he my child.

Jessica. · 22-02-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just don't see how they could ever be content having mutilated themselves so much, but maybe that's just me thinking with my own mind, I don't know.

Imagine you woke up one day and had the body of a man, you didn't know why it happened to you and you knew in your heart that you were a woman, wouldn't you do your best to be true to yourself?

Niamh. · 22-02-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, and i've been told that i'm "mutilated" because i'm circumsized. Plenty of people have politiucal agendas when it comes to certain offensive words like "mutilated" but i can assure you, i love my C0CK and it's not mutilated., Just cause a large group of people try to intimidate you doesn't mean you can't be happy.

I'm not trying to intimidate anyone Alex. I'm just giving my opinion on the subject.

lostalex · 22-02-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan.

The parents made it an issue by allowing him to dress as a girl. It'd have probably just been a faze.

Allowing a child to chose her own clothes, yes what a horrible thing, definitely the parents fault for doing something as stupid and careless as allowing a child to DRESS THEMSELF. are you fbvcking kidding me??

Jessica. · 22-02-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, and i've been told that i'm "mutilated" because i'm circumsized. Plenty of people have politiucal agendas when it comes to certain offensive words like "mutilated" but i can assure you, i love my C0CK and it's not mutilated., Just cause a large group of people try to intimidate you doesn't mean you can't be happy.

And what about people "mutilated" in automobile accidents or burn victims for whatever reason, are you saying that just because someone looks "mutilated" to you that they can't be happy with themselves??

Maybe they don't feel mutilated, and it's only people TELLING them that they are "mutilated" is the problem.

God, calm down.

Niamh. · 22-02-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica.

Imagine you woke up one day and had the body of a man, you didn't know why it happened to you and you knew in your heart that you were a woman, wouldn't you do your best to be true to yourself?

Obviously as that hasn't happened I would only be guessing on what my reaction would be, but If you want me to do that, then I think I'd rather try to accept the fact that I'm a man.

Jessica. · 22-02-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Obviously as that hasn't happened I would only be guessing on what my reaction would be, but If you want me to do that, then I think I'd rather try to accept the fact that I'm a man.