[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Redway

D'you know what, guys. You can throw all the names at me, but I'll definitely stand by what I said. It's a public forum and I'm allowed my views on a topic without being insulted. You don't agree, which is fine, but I'll still stand firmly by what I said

She kicked the baby in the stomach, because it stopped crying and she wanted more because to her it was fun to hit it.

..You're seriously saying that's okay?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I personally don't think what the mother of the baby did was wrong. Sometimes children provoke parents to it - after all, different cultures and backgrounds discipline children in different ways. I'm white, and have been brought up in a white family (obviously) and arguments and shouting at, yes, but that's it. My black and yellow friends have much stricter parents than your typical white does, really. Of course, the poor baby's only...well...a baby, but at least there's discipline there, unless it was a totally unprovoked attack. In which case, I'd agree that she's a vile bitch and had NO right to do any of that.

That's a baby, you don't discipline babies, they don't understand. That woman was hitting a defenceless baby in the head, I had to turn it off when she started pinching it. I really hope you never have kids, if you don't see anything wrong with what she was doing.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

hes obviously just trolling to get a reaction coz like he just said he has nothing else to say he got the reaction he wanted

also

Originally Posted by Redway

I personally don't think what the mother of the baby did was wrong. Sometimes children provoke parents to it - after all, different cultures and backgrounds discipline children in different ways. I'm white, and have been brought up in a white family (obviously) and arguments and shouting at, yes, but that's it. My black and yellow friends have much stricter parents than your typical white does, really. Of course, the poor baby's only...well...a baby, but at least there's discipline there, unless it was a totally unprovoked attack. In which case, I'd agree that she's a vile bitch and had NO right to do any of that.

[Ramsay]

no waaay am i watching that ..sounds horrible
hope the bitch gets brutally murdered in the worst possible way in prison

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Redway

I personally don't think what the mother of the baby did was wrong. Sometimes children provoke parents to it - after all, different cultures and backgrounds discipline children in different ways. I'm white, and have been brought up in a white family (obviously) and arguments and shouting at, yes, but that's it. My black and yellow friends have much stricter parents than your typical white does, really. Of course, the poor baby's only...well...a baby, but at least there's discipline there, unless it was a totally unprovoked attack. In which case, I'd agree that she's a vile bitch and had NO right to do any of that.

So you think kicking an 8 month old baby in the stomach is OK or slapping the baby in the face with her phone or twisting and pinching the babies skin is ok?

You are sick.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm not going to call you any names, I beleieve in respecting opinions no matter how odd they seem to me...but can you answer one question?

How does a 8 month old baby 'provoke' their mother to beat them?

I could understand a bit more if you were talking about...say a 13 year old...though I still dont agree with violence against children...but no way can a baby provoke a reaction like that

Disobedience, really. I know the majoroty of you won't agree, but parents do have different levels of tolerance. Maybe I was wrong in saying that was totally fine and perhaos upon hindsight and re-watching that clip the baby dodn't deserve that...BUT parents do have only so much they can cope with and I did say that if it was a random attack she deserves the beating, really, but if the baby was really getting on her nerves ansd she broke down for a few minutes, I can understamd her actions. Maybe some cpunselling for her's needed in that case. But if the baby didn't do owt, I completely get the negative reaction and would have no sympathy for her, either.

[Kizzy]

Im not sorry for what I said to you...It was a knee jerk reaction, however I can think of no other word that succinctly sums up how any mother or father would react to that statement redway.
There is NO excuse for that level of abuse to ANY child of ANY age for ANYTHING!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Redway

Disobedience, really. I know the majoroty of you won't agree, but parents do have different levels of tolerance. Maybe I was wrong in saying that was totally fine and perhaos upon hindsight and re-watching that clip the baby dodn't deserve that...BUT parents do have only so much they can cope with and I did say that if it was a random attack she deserves the beating, really, but if the baby was really getting on her nerves ansd she broke down for a few minutes, I can understamd her actions. Maybe some cpunselling for her's needed in that case. But if the baby didn't do owt, I completely get the negative reaction and would have no sympathy for her, either.

****ing unbelievable

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Redway

Disobedience, really. I know the majoroty of you won't agree, but parents do have different levels of tolerance. Maybe I was wrong in saying that was totally fine and perhaos upon hindsight and re-watching that clip the baby dodn't deserve that...BUT parents do have only so much they can cope with and I did say that if it was a random attack she deserves the beating, really, but if the baby was really getting on her nerves ansd she broke down for a few minutes, I can understamd her actions. Maybe some cpunselling for her's needed in that case. But if the baby didn't do owt, I completely get the negative reaction and would have no sympathy for her, either.

Beating ANYONE is never acceptable especially a child.

She also did it infront of 2 other children who wernt upset so were obviously used to seeing it and the lady filming it and yet doing nothing needs some nice time behind bars.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Scott

hes obviously just trolling to get a reaction coz like he just said he has nothing else to say he got the reaction he wanted

also

To be fair, after re-watching it, I was way too harsh, but maybe the mum needs some help, really. That's the only way I can put it. If you don't want to accept, that's entirely up to you. I've said my piece and, to be honest, that may have been well too harsh on the baby.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

Disobedience, really. I know the majoroty of you won't agree, but parents do have different levels of tolerance. Maybe I was wrong in saying that was totally fine and perhaos upon hindsight and re-watching that clip the baby dodn't deserve that...BUT parents do have only so much they can cope with and I did say that if it was a random attack she deserves the beating, really, but if the baby was really getting on her nerves ansd she broke down for a few minutes, I can understamd her actions. Maybe some cpunselling for her's needed in that case. But if the baby didn't do owt, I completely get the negative reaction and would have no sympathy for her, either.

Except that's the whole point, babies can't be disobedient, they observe the world and respond to everything around them. They are not yet able to think of their own behaviour.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Redway

To be fair, after re-watching it, I was way too harsh, but maybe the mum needs some help, really. That's the only way I can put it. If you don't want to accept, that's entirely up to you. I've said my piece and, to be honest, that may have been well too harsh on the baby.

I dont think you watched the video initaially and just commented with your views on beating children and now backtracking after watching the video and actually seeing how disgusting it is.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scott

hes obviously just trolling to get a reaction coz like he just said he has nothing else to say he got the reaction he wanted

Wouldn't surprise me. Pretty sure it's the same fm that claimed his entire family were wiped out last summer.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I dont think you watched the video initaially and just commented with your views on beating children and now backtracking after watching the video and actually seeing how disgusting it is.

lmao, that's what I was thinking

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Redway

To be fair, after re-watching it, I was way too harsh, but maybe the mum needs some help, really. That's the only way I can put it. If you don't want to accept, that's entirely up to you. I've said my piece and, to be honest, that may have been well too harsh on the baby.

..I do agree that the woman needs help..whilst being imprisoned and kept from harming that child or any other..

..whatever or whoever may have contributed to an opinion that something like this is ever right..in any situation...is wrong

..no matter what colour the skin is..no matter what the culture...

..this is wrong

[Shaun]

I can't help but think Redway's just trolling to try and appear controversial or something. It's either that or you're genuinely retarded.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I can't help but think Redway's just trolling to try and appear controversial or something. It's either that or you're genuinely retarded.

.

[Doogle]

I'm not even viewing the video.

As far as I can see no one even called Redway names why was he so defensive of this opinion It's a horrible thing to say anyway.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Scott

an 8 month old baby is incapable of provoking a reaction like that what can a kid that age do to warrant being hit like that?

That was an intelligent post Scott


But in all seriousness, this is despicable. The woman should be locked up for a lot longer than 18 months.

I don't intend to watch the video because I doubt I could stomach it.

[Marsh.]

I would like to think that a baby born into a family with a serious history of violence and abuse would have the authorities onto them straight away to avoid them keeping the child. But, especially since the Baby P stuff, you can't trust the system all the time.

Very complicated topic.

[Ammi]

..I would like to know who was standing filming it

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Glenn

That was an intelligent post Scott

it was edited my MTVN the original was slightly different

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

There's a difference between a ban and a surgical operation though. You could easily ban someone from having kids and monitor them to make sure they're abiding by such restrictions.

The "Condom Brigade" hiding in her wardrobe. lol

[Me. I Am Salman]

Omg this was going around in school today. Utterly disgusting.

[MTVN]

Moved the debate on sterilisation to here http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=200938