[waterhog]

kizzy - i am reporting you to the beeb <

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

If you use your laptop via your neighbours wireless internet you are benefitting from a service ...Is that akin to benefit fraud?
I question your use of the term 'benefit fraud' as I feel you are suggesting that those fraudulently claiming benefits are the only ones who can be associated with this type of offence...
As I have proved it is across the social spectrum.... The politician in my quote had too benefitted from £100'000 of 'services'

Yet this is not a criminal offence...Why so?

Not so black and white is it (can you still get black and white licences?)

Everything you ever wanted to know....but were afraid to ask....

and I never suggested anything about only those claiming benefits fraudulently as being the only ones who don't pay for their tv licence... I said I equated it to the same thing... regardless of their social standing, or where the get their money from.
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/

we aren't discussing politicians and their fiddles though, and what we regard as what should be criminal activity and what should not.... that's not what the thread is about.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Everything you ever wanted to know....but were afraid to ask....

we aren't discussing politicians and their fiddles though, and what we regard as what should be criminal activity and what should not.... that's not what the thread is about.

We were not discussing benefit cheats either, you brought them into the equation, you did that to reinforce your point...
I brought in the politicians in the reinforce mine, fair dos pyra....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

We were not discussing benefit cheats either, you brought them into the equation, you did that to reinforce your point...
I brought in the politicians in the reinforce mine, fair dos pyra....

Fair dos Kizzy.

Now .... about this tv licence....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Fair dos Kizzy.

Now .... about this tv licence....

ee its criminal....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

ee its criminal....

T'is indeed lass, it be that right enough, by 'eck. Not quite a hanging offence...

I actually do think it should be free to more than it is though -for a variety of reasons: - there is a sense of unfairness but then again: that applies to an awful lot of things in life. If it was : I guess that the ones who do pay up, would have to pay even more: so that thought is one of the those 'dilemma' situs.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

ee its criminal....

T'is indeed lass, it be that right enough, by 'eck. Not quite a hanging offence...

I actually do think it should be free to more than it is though -for a variety of reasons: - there is a sense of unfairness but then again: that applies to an awful lot of things in life. If is was : I guess that the ones who do pay up, would have to pay even more: so that thought is one of the those 'dilemma' situs.

[Vicky.]

On a thread on this a while back someone told me that its not only the bbc we are paying for with a tv license but the upkeep of the antennas and whatever that transmit any live TV.

I dont pay a license. But I very very rarely watch anything as its broadcast, I prefer to catch up online because I hate watching a series and having to wait a week inbetween each episode..or watch dvds or whatever. I watch nothing at all on the BBC either, so I dont feel bad.

TV license people have started sending me demands to pay, which I just bin immediately without even reading anymore. Judge me if you like, I will not pay for something I dont use

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

On a thread on this a while back someone told me that its not only the bbc we are paying for with a tv license but the upkeep of the antennas and whatever that transmit any live TV.

I dont pay a license. But I very very rarely watch anything as its broadcast, I prefer to catch up online because I hate watching a series and having to wait a week inbetween each episode..or watch dvds or whatever. I watch nothing at all on the BBC either, so I dont feel bad.

TV license people have started sending me demands to pay, which I just bin immediately without even reading anymore. Judge me if you like, I will not pay for something I dont use

There's talk over here of changing it from a TV License to a Media license so basically covers computers too

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's talk over here of changing it from a TV License to a Media license so basically covers computers too

Meh I just see it as a way of fleecing you out of more money tbh. If they could charge you for breathing (oxygen tax or whatever) someone would do it

Just seems stupid to me, we pay over the odds for stuff anyway and then you get loads of tax or 'compulsary' payments to make for using it all

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Meh I just see it as a way of fleecing you out of more money tbh. If they could charge you for breathing (oxygen tax or whatever) someone would do it

Just seems stupid to me, we pay over the odds for stuff anyway and then you get loads of tax or 'compulsary' payments to make for using it all

I know, I pay mine but only cos they kept sending us letters and I got scared I wouldn't mind but I don't even have the Irish channels!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know, I pay mine but only cos they kept sending us letters and I got scared I wouldn't mind but I don't even have the Irish channels!

The letters dont bother me. They claim to be able to tell what you are watching and when...but if thats true then they will know no bbc ever is on my telly, that I watch 'live' tv maybe once a fortnight for an hour (I much prefer watching online version ones with the ads removed a few days later ) and they can check my internet history too if they ever come to call, which they havent in a long time despite a load of letters threatening court action. I got one threatening to take me to court if I didnt reply in a week...then a week later got another just saying I needed to pay whatever, that was a fair few months ago. I think they just try to scare you into paying tbh or I would have been in court by now.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

On a thread on this a while back someone told me that its not only the bbc we are paying for with a tv license but the upkeep of the antennas and whatever that transmit any live TV.

I dont pay a license. But I very very rarely watch anything as its broadcast, I prefer to catch up online because I hate watching a series and having to wait a week inbetween each episode..or watch dvds or whatever. I watch nothing at all on the BBC either, so I dont feel bad.

TV license people have started sending me demands to pay, which I just bin immediately without even reading anymore. Judge me if you like, I will not pay for something I dont use

sort of....

The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.

You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.

[Marsh.]

Joeysteele, I fail to see the relevance of your PM to me.

Please, stop overdramatising everything. I have never presumed to know you, or made assertions about you as a person. I have merely stated what I thought about a post you made with my opinion on it. I don't see the need for an essay telling me what an opinion is and the like. I suggest you stop taking everything so personally. People will not agree with you, it's a fact of life.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Joeysteele, I fail to see the relevance of your PM to me.

Please, stop overdramatising everything. I have never presumed to know you, or made assertions about you as a person. I have merely stated what I thought about a post you made with my opinion on it. I don't see the need for an essay telling me what an opinion is and the like. I suggest you stop taking everything so personally. People will not agree with you, it's a fact of life.

I fail to see the relevance of your PM's with Joey to this thread, if you start up a conversation by PM then keep it there

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

sort of....

The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.

You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.

hehehe where is this quote from, the BBC?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I fail to see the relevance of your PM's with Joey to this thread, if you start up a conversation by PM then keep it there

There is no conversation via PM, he's sent me one full of rubbish. And I don't wish to get into a PM war so wanted to make my point clear in the relevant thread. Ie. It wasn't personal, it was an opinion on a post he made.

[Kate!]

Like Vicky, I have had letters, tons of them in my case as I have never paid it. I read them at first now they just go straight in the bin. They are never addressed to me specifically, just to the legal occupier. I can't say I don't watch anything on BBC, but having thought on it, it is actually minimal, Eastenders, some documentaries, and recently the Voice. I mainly watch ITV, c4 e4 etc.

I'll never pay it unless they forcibly take it direct from my income. Which considering I've had my own home for over 20 years, is taking them a long time, so doubt it.

[Jack_]

I take issue with people whom watch the BBC's programming, no matter how little, yet refuse to pay the licence fee.

Surely if you're watching their documentaries especially, and even their other programming, and enjoying it, then you should think...oh actually, yeah, maybe I should pay for this because it's worth it and something I enjoy? As I've said throughout this thread, the BBC is an institution we should all be proud of. Quite frankly, I resent the idea of everything being privately owned, what a disastrous and frightening prospect...one which we're already heading down.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I take issue with people whom watch the BBC's programming, no matter how little, yet refuse to pay the licence fee.

Surely if you're watching their documentaries especially, and even their other programming, and enjoying it, then you should think...oh actually, yeah, maybe I should pay for this because it's worth it and something I enjoy? As I've said throughout this thread, the BBC is an institution we should all be proud of. Quite frankly, I resent the idea of everything being privately owned, what a disastrous and frightening prospect...one which we're already heading down.

I have an issue with politicians who fraudulently claim £100'000 expenses and get a weeks holiday as punishment...But watchagonnado?....

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I have an issue with politicians who fraudulently claim £100'000 expenses and get a weeks holiday as punishment...But watchagonnado?....

As do I...and I thought you'd have known that.

But what relevance does that have to this thread or indeed my post?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.

You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.

I didn't know that, so I checked and, of course, you're right, but :

As it is our duty to ensure that everyone in the UK who needs a licence has one, we may visit your address to check that no licence is required. It's unfortunately necessary to do this, as when we make contact on these visits, almost one in five people are found to need a TV Licence. Please be assured that this is a routine visit, and will take no more than a few minutes. If we find during the visit that you do in fact need a licence, you'll need to pay the full licence fee, and you could risk prosecution and a fine of up to £1,000.

I still watch some TV "live" on a set, usually with other people, although, on a daily basis, I tend to use catch-up and downloads to watch programs on other devices. With various summer "events" approaching, "live" use is bound to increase, so I'll keep paying the licence.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

There is no conversation via PM, he's sent me one full of rubbish. And I don't wish to get into a PM war so wanted to make my point clear in the relevant thread. Ie. It wasn't personal, it was an opinion on a post he made.

My pm to you was to remove fron this thread a dispute I had with you, I think it best I ignore you and you ignore me from now on, we are instructed to take disputes to pm and I did so,the fact you chose to open it up publicly again puts you in the wrong in my view and any further harrassment and I will report my grievance which I do not want to do as I have never reported anyone for anything.
There would have been no pm war as you dramatically termed it,I sent you a single pm,one only, I even wished you well and suggested there was no need for a reply.
Had you chosen to reply there,that would have been the end of things,it would appear you are the one over dramatising, no one else and by coming on here again and addressing me personally rather than the topic,you are in fact the person carrying this on so it is best to ignore each other from now on.
I said all in my pm to you.I have no more at all to say you now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

As do I...and I thought you'd have known that.

But what relevance does that have to this thread or indeed my post?

How would I know that...I don't know you...And you don't know me?...

However....Theres no point throwing your hands in the air at the injustice of the poor poor BBC not recieving its full licence fee from every watcher of the BBC.

Making that a criminal offence therefore causing the do gooders to vomit with rage at anyone who fails to abide by the laws of the land.

Those who work within our walls of power are not punished for their indiscretions.... It stands to reason those mere mortals joe public are going to wake up and smell the coffee...surely?...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

My pm to you was to remove fron this thread a dispute I had with you, I think it best I ignore you and you ignore me from now on, we are instructed to take disputes to pm and I did so,the fact you chose to open it up publicly again puts you in the wrong in my view and any further harrassment and I will report my grievance which I do not want to do as I have never reported anyone for anything.
There would have been no pm war as you dramatically termed it,I sent you a single pm,one only, I even wished you well and suggested there was no need for a reply.
Had you chosen to reply there,that would have been the end of things,it would appear you are the one over dramatising, no one else and by coming on here again and addressing me personally rather than the topic,you are in fact the person carrying this on so it is best to ignore each other from now on.
I said all in my pm to you.I have no more at all to say you now.

That's my confusion, there is no dispute. I commented on your post and you took it personally and asked me how I "know" you. My post never insinuated any such thing. Get over yourself. Report all you like, I have done nothing wrong.

I gave my opinion to something you posted, deal with it and move on like everybody else.