[Marsh.]

Bow down to the perfection that is Toxic.

Don't open a thread asking for opinions if you think people can't disagree with it. And yet you say other people have ignorance.

[Redway]

Toxic, if you don't want our opinions then don't make this sort of thread because that's what we're here to do.

Also, don't try and defend the indefensible. lostalex's behaviour was completely unacceptable and childish.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Toxic, if you don't want our opinions then don't make this sort of thread because that's what we're here to do.

Also, don't try and defend the indefensible. lostalex's behaviour was completely unacceptable and childish.

I 100% agree with you.

And Toxic, I haven't seen one member on here being ignorant about gay people, and I know that there are groups out there hurting gay people just because they are gay, and I agree that they are just as bad as the KKK but that wasn't the point given to Lostalex, the point given to Lostalex was that some people like gay people but don't understand homosexuality which Redway was fairly pointing out.

Then we move onto Lostalex's rudeness to Niamh for only pointing out what's the difference between Marriage and Civil Partnership, tbf not everybody knows the in's and out's of Civil Partnership yet Lostalex went on a weird rampage saying it's marriage in God's eyes but not in the Governments.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I 100% agree with you.

And Toxic, I haven't seen one member on here being ignorant about gay people, and I know that there are groups out there hurting gay people just because they are gay, and I agree that they are just as bad as the KKK but that wasn't the point given to Lostalex, the point given to Lostalex was that some people like gay people but don't understand homosexuality which Redway was fairly pointing out.

Then we move onto Lostalex's rudeness to Niamh for only pointing out what's the difference between Marriage and Civil Partnership, tbf not everybody knows the in's and out's of Civil Partnership yet Lostalex went on a weird rampage saying it's marriage in God's eyes but not in the Governments.

I just read what he said to Niamh, and I agree it was wrong, because he/she was simply asking an innocent question.

But people have been ignorant, but you can't see the comments because they got deleted.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Bow down to the perfection that is Toxic.

Don't open a thread asking for opinions if you think people can't disagree with it. And yet you say other people have ignorance.

I opened up a thread for debate, and if I disagree with what people say...I'm going to argue my view point.

This whole forum section is appropriately named 'Serious DEBATES & News Stories' - a debate is when people discuss a subject and give their own views/opinions which are bound to conflict.

What your saying is people should post their views and then have zero discussion about it afterwards, what's the point in that?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

I opened up a thread for debate, and if I disagree with what people say...I'm going to argue my view point.

This whole forum section is appropriately named 'Serious DEBATES & News Stories' - a debate is when people discuss a subject and give their own views/opinions which are bound to conflict.

What your saying is people should post their views and then have zero discussion about it afterwards, what's the point in that?

Isn't that what you're doing?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

Isn't that what you're doing?

Not at all.

I posted my views, you posted yours, then I told you I disagree, you told me you disagree, and it continues.....because it's a DEBATE.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Not at all.

I posted my views, you posted yours, then I told you I disagree, you told me you disagree, and it continues.....because it's a DEBATE.

No, you told me that I cannot disagree with what gay people do.

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION BUT A STATEMENT OF FACT, TELLING ME WHAT I SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BELIEVE.

First of all, I have no issue with what gays do - but others do, which, again, is fine.

You're telling people that their views are wrong and you're wrong, mate. Get it?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

No, you told me that I cannot disagree with what gay people do.

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION BUT A STATEMENT OF FACT, TELLING ME WHAT I SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BELIEVE.

First of all, I have no issue with what gays do - but others do, which, again, is fine.

You're telling people that their views are wrong and you're wrong, mate. Get it?

It's fine to bigots yes, but to people who believe in equal rights for all it's totally disgusting.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

No, you told me that I cannot disagree with what gay people do.

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION BUT A STATEMENT OF FACT, TELLING ME WHAT I SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BELIEVE.

First of all, I have no issue with what gays do - but others do, which, again, is fine.

You're telling people that their views are wrong and you're wrong, mate. Get it?

The thing is, is that gay people don't like being told that being gay is wrong (which I can understand as imo it isn't wrong) but yet won't let people have there opinions on gay being wrong despite Toxic opening up the topic themself.

I don't get how that makes any of us ignorant or homophobic.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Yep.

Some members have been using the argument that it's alright to disagree with homosexuality - which it isn't because being gay is something people are born with, it's the same as being born with brown/blonde/ginger hair.

Other members have posted down right offensive stuff, such as saying "gay marriage is for fags" and "I think gay people are cute with their little pugs because they can't reproduce.....don't blame me, blame god".

No. You asked for an opinion on gay marriage.
As for being born gay, that's a different debate altogether. One which I disagree with you on.

Originally Posted by Toxic

But you can't disagree with gay people, it's an impossibility, gay people are a fact of life.

What? Just like people can't like black people? Homophobia and racism is also a fact of life. Horrible, but true.

Originally Posted by Toxic

Not at all.

I posted my views, you posted yours, then I told you I disagree, you told me you disagree, and it continues.....because it's a DEBATE.

No. You told Redway he wasn't allowed to disagree.

But, either way, that kind of attitude is wasted on Redway. He's said several times he himself has no problems with gay people or gay marriage. He's discussing people that do.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toxic

I opened up a thread for debate, and if I disagree with what people say...I'm going to argue my view point.

This whole forum section is appropriately named 'Serious DEBATES & News Stories' - a debate is when people discuss a subject and give their own views/opinions which are bound to conflict.

What your saying is people should post their views and then have zero discussion about it afterwards, what's the point in that?

Did I say that? No, I didn't.

I'm asking YOU, who said to Redway "You can't disagree". He, and everyone else, has every right to disagree. That's my point.

You have opened a thread welcoming all opinions, so don't tell people they can't disagree.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Did I say that? No, I didn't.

I'm asking YOU, who said to Redway "You can't disagree". He, and everyone else, has every right to disagree. That's my point.

You have opened a thread welcoming all opinions, so don't tell people they can't disagree.

But you can't disagree with gay people, it's an impossibility, gay people are a fact of life.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

But you can't disagree with gay people, it's an impossibility, gay people are a fact of life.

Rubbish.

I have friends who disagree with what gay people do but have no issues with the people and I have immense respect for them. As long as they're not hating on someone because they disagree with what they do I don't see the problem.

As has been mentioned to you over and over again, no one's disagreeing with gay people being gay. What some people disagree with is what they do, not who they are. Do I have to spell it out for you?

And DO you actually read people's posts or just decide to totally ignore them and keep spouting the same nonsense?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

Rubbish.

I have friends who disagree with what gay people do but have no issues with the people and I have immense respect for them. As long as they're not hating on someone because they disagree with what they do I don't see the problem.

As has been mentioned to you over and over again, no one's disagreeing with gay people being gay. What some people disagree with is what they do, not who they are. Do I have to spell it out for you?

And DO you actually read people's posts or just decide to totally ignore them and keep spouting the same nonsense?

So it's OK to be gay, but acting on it is something which is allowed to be disagreed with -that is 'rubbish'.

"Oh hi black man, I accept that you are black, but if you walk around in public showing your black skin I will have to disagree with that" - that scenario is as ridiculous as what you pointed out.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

So it's OK to be gay, but acting on it is something which is allowed to be disagreed with -that is 'rubbish'.

"Oh hi black man, I accept that you are black, but if you walk around in public showing your black skin I will have to disagree with that" - that scenario is as ridiculous as what you pointed out.

That's not what I'm saying. I said that there are people who disagree with homosexuality but have no problem with the people. How many more times do I have to explain this to you? It's there for you in black and white - now piss off and use your head before you start talking more nonsense.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Toxic

So it's OK to be gay, but acting on it is something which is allowed to be disagreed with -that is 'rubbish'.

"Oh hi black man, I accept that you are black, but if you walk around in public showing your black skin I will have to disagree with that" - that scenario is as ridiculous as what you pointed out.

BUT ... BLACK PEOPLE!

Homosexuals don't have to engage in homosexual acts though. Black people sort of do have to engage with the act of being black.

I'm not saying they should abstain ... I enjoy a bit of cock sucking myself ... but fuck a duck. The race comparisons have well and truly jumped the shark. Can we make them a bannable offense?