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Originally Posted by MatthewS

I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but I'll entertain this for now...

I suggest you look at the definitions of bullying and discrimination.

Bullying: a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power. It can include verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion.

Discrimination: unfair treatment of a person, racial group, minority, etc; action based on prejudice.

So, now let's look at the situation in question, pertaining to bullying. Did Shiv/Ash show any aggressive behavior towards Adam? Did they physically assault him? No. Did they verbally assault him? He was outside and they were inside, so he wasn't able to hear anything, so that's a no. Did they use coercion? I don't recall Shiv/Ash forcing another party in the house to behave in an involuntary manner through the use of threats or intimidation, which is what coercion is. So again, no.

Not let's look at discrimination. Do shiv/ash have a prejudice against anyone who isn't 'in shape'? Because for it to be discrimination, that would have to be the case. They both seem to get on quite well with Becky, Caroline, and Scott. All of whom wouldn't be classified as physically 'fit'. You can't even determine prejudice based on a single event, it has to be a common and reoccurring bias, which we haven't seen.

Were the comments rude? Sure. Were they discriminatory or of a bullying nature? By definition, they aren't. I'm not just making these definitions up, if you don't agree, take it up with Websters, but don't call me a supporter of bullying/discrimination because you don't understand the terminology.

Matt, you have some valid points but Caroline does bully people, im not sure about discrimination but she defo does bully... constantly speaking negatively about others in such a way that changes the group dynamic towards that person is considered bullying.

Im cool with anyone here liking who they like, Im not interested in changing who people support, I only want people to be more objective and no so blinded. For example, I like Deana and Lauren but I am able to admit they are not perfect and are weak in some aspects.

It just seems to me that people here blindly defend their favorites to the death, even when it is obvious that some of their behaviours is not appropriate and quite dangerous at times.