[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by smeagol

i think its crazy. ive never seen anyone put up with what she has and not walk or be crying non stop or angry or something more. she handles it amazingly and gets called playing the sympathy card. its just mind boggerling to me hat people can say it.
i wouldn't blame her if she did. everyone of the others would thats for sure they wouldnt of lasted 5 minutes.poor arron tried to play it as being bullied after adam pranked him lol funny that was

so true look how that big strong man conor cryed like a baby saying im going to walk but not having the guts to do it.

[nana]

Originally Posted by Yayita

She has been the victim of alot of abussive comments and actions done against her. There is a man in there whos sole purpose is to evict her, malign her and ruin her reputation and tries to manipulate others to do this for him. However, she has not behaved like a victim at all! She stands her ground, speaks her mind, follows her own rythm and nobody elses, fights clean and does it all while maintaining her composure and grace.

Simply put, she is a lady and until I see her change into something else, I will continue to support her.

I agree, I think Deanna is a lovely lady and i was horrified and upset to see Shievonne playing such cruel mind games with her. I hope Deanna can see through it all but there is only so much horribleness (is there such a word?) that you hear before you think it must be true. I think Sara is also a nice person but is very intimidated by a lot of people in there and is not as confident as Deanna in confronting it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jords

She cant play a victim card if she IS a victim of being singled out. I dont think she plays up to it at all though, she cracks on and destroys anybody that has an issue with her elegance.

This. Shievonne was acting like a raving lunatic and Deana handled that situation with class and grace. I can't understand people saying she was playing the victim, she was defending herself against Shievonne, what did people expect her to do exactly?

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This. Shievonne was acting like a raving lunatic and Deana handled that situation with class and grace. I can't understand people saying she was playing the victim, she was defending herself against Shievonne, what did people expect her to do exactly?

Whilst i agree that Shievonne is having a meltdown, It was Deana that that brought it up ,Deana says Shievonne has ignored her for 3 days & hasnt told her to her face why but has Deana spoken to Shievonne about this in the 3 days? No. Deana wanted an audience so everyone can think poor Deana.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Whilst i agree that Shievonne is having a meltdown, It was Deana that that brought it up ,Deana says Shievonne has ignored her for 3 days & hasnt told her to her face why but has Deana spoken to Shievonne about this in the 3 days? No. Deana wanted an audience so everyone can think poor Deana.

She said that after Shievonne started on her about her having nominated her though

[sampvt]

Deana started the argument passivly knowing where it was going. She steered it into dark territory and came out the other end like a cool dude at the hands of a witch. Deana is a past master of this kind of argument. She knows what to do, when to do it and then as my other post states, she retires and soaks up the sympathy. If she was so good and won the argument, WHY DOES SHE GO AWAY AND CRY. Wake up to her before she makes you all look soft. She is a master manipulator and very like Aaron.

[Jords]

I honestly think people are not taking Deana's perception into consideration. Just look at the situation in her point of view. How are you supposed to feel... happy?

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She said that after Shievonne started on her about her having nominated her though

Fair enough but Deana escalated it. They must all know by now that Shievonne has a tendancy to go off like a mentalist so why did Deana carry it on in front of everyone? Deana accused Shievonne of not coming to her & telling her what the problem was but Deana is just has bad, she didnt approach Shievonne one to one to ask if there was a problem in them 3 days, she chose to air it in front of the group.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Deana started the argument passivly knowing where it was going. She steered it into dark territory and came out the other end like a cool dude at the hands of a witch. Deana is a past master of this kind of argument. She knows what to do, when to do it and then as my other post states, she retires and soaks up the sympathy. If she was so good and won the argument, WHY DOES SHE GO AWAY AND CRY. Wake up to her before she makes you all look soft. She is a master manipulator and very like Aaron.

How do you know what she's a "past master" of, did you know her before BB? all of them in there have been involved in arguments, alot of them have cried afterwards, because it's draining arguing with people, especially someone like Shievonne, doesn't matter how well she handled the argument, it will still take it's toll

[Livia]

I worry that people actually think it's okay to bully someone, to single them out and verbally abuse them in the most disgusting way... and them claim they are "playing the victim card". Really? I think it's some of the others who are "playing the bully card".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Fair enough but Deana escalated it. They must all know by now that Shievonne has a tendancy to go off like a mentalist so why did Deana carry it on in front of everyone? Deana accused Shievonne of not coming to her & telling her what the problem was but Deana is just has bad, she didnt approach Shievonne one to one to ask if there was a problem in them 3 days, she chose to air it in front of the group.

Why shouldn't she stand up for herself though?, I know I would, people would be still be accusing her of playing the victim if she just sat there and took it. And yeah Deana didn't approach her either, so what? They're all in there guilty of accusing others of doing things they do themselves.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you know what she's a "past master" of, did you know her before BB? all of them in there have been involved in arguments, alot of them have cried afterwards, because it's draining arguing with people, especially someone like Shievonne, doesn't matter how well she handled the argument, it will still take it's toll

Niamh every argument she has had she has come out of it looking like the victim. She has solicited so much support by being the underdog and All the posts have this empathetical vein running through them. That tells me she is mustering support by being percieved as the underling when it isnt true.

I kind of like her but there is nothing worse than a gameplayer that grows on the sympathy card line. It is as clear as day that she is a great one in an argument. Classy ladies dont argue, they walk away mate. Classy ladies dont carry gossip from one section to another. Classy ladies dont flit from one group to the other. Classy ladies dont make balls and let others fire them. Classy ladies dont curry favour by playing the underdog, THEY RIDE ABOVE IT.

If she would have these arguments then walk away and get on with her life, she would have my vote, but no, she has them then cries when there are loads of eyes and cameras watching. THAT MY FRIEND IS MANIPULATION.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Livia

I worry that people actually think it's okay to bully someone, to single them out and verbally abuse them in the most disgusting way... and them claim they are "playing the victim card". Really? I think it's some of the others who are "playing the bully card".

or even more true to light, the "pack mentality" card

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jords

or even more true to light, the "pack mentality" card

That's exactly what it is, Jords.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Niamh every argument she has had she has come out of it looking like the victim. She has solicited so much support by being the underdog and All the posts have this empathetical vein running through them. That tells me she is mustering support by being percieved as the underling when it isnt true.

I kind of like her but there is nothing worse than a gameplayer that grows on the sympathy card line. It is as clear as day that she is a great one in an argument. Classy ladies dont argue, they walk away mate. Classy ladies dont carry gossip from one section to another. Classy ladies dont flit from one group to the other. Classy ladies dont make balls and let others fire them. Classy ladies dont curry favour by playing the underdog, THEY RIDE ABOVE IT.

If she would have these arguments then walk away and get on with her life, she would have my vote, but no, she has them then cries when there are loads of eyes and cameras watching. THAT MY FRIEND IS MANIPULATION.

She comes out of arguments looking like the victim because she usually is the victim, Conor and Arron picked on her relentlessly, take the argument with Arron, he started on at her because she had a drink when she said she wouldn't, so did lots of others but he chose to have a go only at Deana because of it, take the argument with both Conor and Arron during the eating task, yeah she did s**t at the task but they way they treated her because of it was just revolting and undeserved and solely because they don't like her, you never see them treat Caroline like that when she comes across far worse during tasks.

Classy ladies aren't door mats, and she can either chose to be a door mat or stand up for herself in a dignified manner as she can not chose to walk away when she's in the Big Brother house, she has to live with these people.

[nana]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Niamh every argument she has had she has come out of it looking like the victim. She has solicited so much support by being the underdog and All the posts have this empathetical vein running through them. That tells me she is mustering support by being percieved as the underling when it isnt true.

I kind of like her but there is nothing worse than a gameplayer that grows on the sympathy card line. It is as clear as day that she is a great one in an argument. Classy ladies dont argue, they walk away mate. Classy ladies dont carry gossip from one section to another. Classy ladies dont flit from one group to the other. Classy ladies dont make balls and let others fire them. Classy ladies dont curry favour by playing the underdog, THEY RIDE ABOVE IT.

If she would have these arguments then walk away and get on with her life, she would have my vote, but no, she has them then cries when there are loads of eyes and cameras watching. THAT MY FRIEND IS MANIPULATION.

I can't believe how you can be so biased against her! Why do you say that she is a 'great one in an argument' is that a bad thing? She is sticking up for herself for goodness sake!! Also,
- she is not 'trying to be classy' she is being herself and is trying to put forward her point of view when people argue with her
- she does not gossip from one section to another more than any other housemate
- she does not flit from one group to another, only to people to people she thinks may be friends!
Also I think many more people make balls and let others fire them (i.e. Caroline)
She so does not play the underdog, it is your very biased view!!

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by nana

I can't believe how you can be so biased against her! Why do you say that she is a 'great one in an argument' is that a bad thing? She is sticking up for herself for goodness sake!! Also,
- she is not 'trying to be classy' she is being herself and is trying to put forward her point of view when people argue with her
- she does not gossip from one section to another more than any other housemate
- she does not flit from one group to another, only to people to people she thinks may be friends!
Also I think many more people make balls and let others fire them (i.e. Caroline)
She so does not play the underdog, it is your very biased view!!

I think we might be watching different shows, my apologies, I will check my recorder tonight.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I think we might be watching different shows, my apologies, I will check my recorder tonight.

yes you are watching a different show from us

you finally figured it out.

[nana]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I think we might be watching different shows, my apologies, I will check my recorder tonight.

Sounds a bit sarcastic - you won't check your recorder or change your mind

[robb]

Originally Posted by wendywillow

not much deana can do when a crazed shiev is railing at her, one of the keys with bb is to NOT lose your s*** when you get nommed, sheiv just followed arron out the door with this display

Not sure whether deana 'destroyed' shievonne. IF ANYONE DESTROYED SHIEVEONNE IT WAS HERSELF. And adam played a part in that too.
As for the 'victim' tag, deana actually said 'we are the victims here' on the show to becky. Does she see herself as the new Shilpa Shetty?? Not to say SHE wasn't victimised (far far worse than deana), but IT DIDN'T HALF HELP HER WIN AND GAIN HUGE PUBLICITY....

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by robb

Not sure whether deana 'destroyed' shievonne. IF ANYONE DESTROYED SHIEVEONNE IT WAS HERSELF. And adam played a part in that too.
As for the 'victim' tag, deana actually said 'we are the victims here' on the show to becky. Does she see herself as the new Shilpa Shetty?? Not to say she wasn't victimied (far far worse than deana), but IT DIDN'T HALF HELP HER WIN AND GAIN HUGE PUBLICITY....

Deana knows what to do to win. Play the victim like Shilpa did. And it's working. The public loves a victim!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Deana knows what to do to win. Play the victim like Shilpa did. And it's working. The public loves a victim!

Why are you comparing Deana to Shilpa? Just because they're both Indian? Also, you don't think Shilpa was a victim of genuine bullying? Really?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why are you comparing Deana to Shilpa? Just because they're both Indian? Also, you don't think Shilpa was a victim of genuine bullying? Really?

I do. But she won with the sympathy vote, not because she was the best housemate.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I know she has had disgraceful things said about her by Conor and it has been nice o see her overcome that. Conors days are numbered and he knows it. However I think Deana is in danger of latching on to the public sympathy that she obviously has over her treatment by Conor and Arron. She has now rounded on Shievonne (although I'm not a fan) and is now accusing Lauren etc of not sticking up for her in the arguement. As yet I have not seen any of the housemates join in and support anyone in a verbal exchange.

If she is not careful it will backfire....cos I am starting to see right through her.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I do. But she won with the sympathy vote, not because she was the best housemate.

But she wasn't "playing the Victim" she was actually the victim and to be quite honest she handled it all with a lot of class. Yeah she won by default imo but that's hardly her fault is it? Blame Jade, Jo, Dannielle and Jack if you're looking for someone to blame for Shilpa winning.