[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by calyman

You are talking about two separate issues and conflating them. Yes Benedict works in the sex industry, that's his choice. No one who doesn't want to, is forced to watch his films.

As to their respective approaches towards sex, Benedict seeks to raise awareness of sex and sexual health issues. Ashley uses perverse talk of sex as a means of social interaction. She may be entitled to her views but is not entitled to disgust others by espousing them.

I am not conflating anything, I couldn't be clearer in my mind on this issue.
If I wished to have my awareness raised I will look to a more reliable source than a man who has sex for money.
Anyone who does not wish to hear ashleigh may switch off at any point when she appears on screen....

[calyman]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I am not conflating anything, I couldn't be clearer in my mind on this issue.
If I wished to have my awareness raised I will look to a more reliable source than a man who has sex for money.
Anyone who does not wish to hear ashleigh may switch off at any point when she appears on screen....

I think you're personalising this issue. I am speaking in a general way. I may indeed wish to switch off when ashlley speaks, that's my choice. You may choose to research a more reliable tutor on sexual awareness. However, my argument is based on their respective attitudes towards sex.

In general, Benedict is consistent and clear on why he speaks on sexual matters, Ashley clearly does because she has limited social skills and uses sexual vulgarity as a means of communication.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by calyman

I think you're personalising this issue. I am speaking in a general way. I may indeed wish to switch off when ashlley speaks, that's my choice. You may choose to research a more reliable tutor on sexual awareness. However, my argument is based on their respective attitudes towards sex.

In general, Benedict is consistent and clear on why he speaks on sexual matters, Ashley clearly does because she has limited social skills and uses sexual vulgarity as a means of communication.

By giving my opinion I am personalising the issue.
In general benedict feels the way he conducts himself and his attitude towards sex and masturbation are fine and correct...I however do not, that is my choice.
There are lots of young women up and down the contry just like ashleigh, who are we to sit in judgement and scoff at their lack of decorum?

[calyman]

Originally Posted by kizzy

By giving my opinion I am personalising the issue.
In general benedict feels the way he conducts himself and his attitude towards sex and masturbation are fine and correct...I however do not, that is my choice.
There are lots of young women up and down the contry just like ashleigh, who are we to sit in judgement and scoff at their lack of decorum?

What I'm suggesting is that by personalising this, your opinion is clouding the issue. Opinions can often be flawed. Well thought out arguments however, tend to result in greater clarity.

I agree there are many young women just like ashley. It is my considered opinion, that is part of the canker in our society. You may find such behaviour acceptable, I do not.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by calyman

What I'm suggesting is that by personalising this, your opinion is clouding the issue. Opinions can often be flawed. Well thought out arguments however, tend to result in greater clarity.

I agree there are many young women just like ashley. It is my considered opinion, that is part of the canker in our society. You may find such behaviour acceptable, I do not.

You think my opinion is flawed because it does not match yours.
Really?...Ex teachers who prostitute themselves are the acceptable face of society now then?
You don't know me, please don't presume you know what I do and do not find acceptable.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by kizzy

You think my opinion is flawed because it does not match yours.
Really?...Ex teachers who prostitute themselves are the acceptable face of society now then?
You don't know me, please don't presume you know what I do and do not find acceptable.

Please don't presume that by reinterpreting my words in a fashion to suit yourself, that I have to answer to your skewed response. I said that by personalising this discussion, your opiinion was clouding the issue.

I see you highlighted the more general point that opinions can be flawed and conflated that with a direct statement attributing it to yourself. This is your doing, not mine. So please don't lecture me about presumptions.It seems to me that you have read the statement but failed to understand what I was saying. Either that, or you are continuing to personalise this issue based not on what I am saying, but simply for having the temerity to disagree with you.

On that note, I don't think there's any more point in us discussing this further. A response from you will not be required but if you feel the need to do so, then please keep it respectful.