[The Human Santapede]

Give it a rest all of you. This isn't a debate thread nor is it a chat thread for one of you to out do the other. It's a suggestion thread. have your suggestion, suggest YOUR ideas and move on. Stop criticising.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I will accept it when you tell me who the 'snipers' and 'ramblers' are?
And why you don't see the posts on the politics threads as debates?

Naming names would cause chaos... You know this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Give it a rest all of you. This isn't a debate thread nor is it a chat thread for one of you to out do the other. It's a suggestion thread. have your suggestion, suggest YOUR ideas and move on. Stop criticising.

Fair do's my suggestion is it stays as is and FM's are able to post their views and threads on any social, political or news item in the SD forum.

[InOne]

Serious Debates and a News And Politics sub forum sounds about right to me.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

From the OP..

''they're never debates anyway, it just ends up the same old members sniping at eachother and page after page of endless rambles''

Bollocks! he is having a dig, if it's not at you its me...
I would love to know what inone constitutes as a debate seeing as he thinks that those who contribute to the politics based threads are not capable of holding one?
I don't like my posts and threads on political topics refered to as 'rambles' and 'snipes' either..
Its quite a nice smokescreen thrown over this discussion, a little bit more honesty would be appreciated to exactly who has incensed him sooo much he created a thread to highlight his dislike to the whole forum...

Kizzy. He is correct - imo. It most cases, they DO result less in cut and thrust robust debate, and end up with little more than snipes - you even admitted the same thing in your earlier post a page or so back.

If InOne is going to raise that as his reason - then he's entitled to do so imo and I don't see a thing wrong with that - and I don't see why he should be 'brow beaten' as to why he has his view, especially when he has explained why.

I don't particulary give two hoots if he was referring to me - I will post where I want to regardless of who thinks what of me. I'm not that hung up about other peoples views about me, I don't lose sleep over it.

That doesn't affect my ability to be able to enter a debate / SD thread or any other for that matter - and nor will someone's opinion of me stop me - if I want to post, I will.

If you think In One is having a go about you, which you have stated a few times now : he has already told you it's not directed at you - so I'm really lost as to why you are convinced otherwise - but I'm not entirely sure this is the place to address that - because all that is doing: is indeed: proving what InOne has said.

Back to his suggestion and reasons : here's one of mine....

As an example: Omah - some things I agree with them about in SD threads - other times I could not be more opposed to them. What puts me off is Omah's tendency to offer less personal viewpoints, less of what 'they' want to say: and instead, Omah tends to copy and paste much. that's their style - and so be it - however, I'm also aware that that type of posting style, does annoy others who are able to comment using their own words.

Just as my own blunt, no nonsense, approach will annoy and rankle others.

In One has a right to his opinion - he's given it and in honesty: you do seem to be giving him a hard time for having his own voice on something that was - a suggestion.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Give it a rest all of you. This isn't a debate thread nor is it a chat thread for one of you to out do the other. It's a suggestion thread. have your suggestion, suggest YOUR ideas and move on. Stop criticising.

sincere apols UKT. I was in midst of doing my last post there - didn't see this one of yours till I posted.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Serious Debates and a News And Politics sub forum sounds about right to me.

See....this one I'm not so sure about.... the 'News' section doesn't guarantee that the News will be of a political nature - you'd still get the News about 18 stray dogs being crammed into a shoebox or something similar.

Politics having it's own sub-forum I think is a good idea.

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

sincere apols UKT. I was in midst of doing my last post there - didn't see this one of yours till I posted.

It's ok, I saw you were in the middle of replying just after I posted.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

See....this one I'm not so sure about.... the 'News' section doesn't guarantee that the News will be of a political nature - you'd still get the News about 18 stray dogs being crammed into a shoebox or something similar.

Politics having it's own sub-forum I think is a good idea.

Yeah, if people stopped posting those kind of silly stories (and posted them in the right section) it probably would help too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Kizzy. He is correct - imo. It most cases, they DO result less in cut and thrust robust debate, and end up with little more than snipes - you even admitted the same thing in your earlier post a page or so back.

If InOne is going to raise that as his reason - then he's entitled to do so imo and I don't see a thing wrong with that - and I don't see why he should be 'brow beaten' as to why he has his view, especially when he has explained why.

I don't particulary give two hoots if he was referring to me - I will post where I want to regardless of who thinks what of me. I'm not that hung up about other peoples views about me, I don't lose sleep over it.

That doesn't affect my ability to be able to enter a debate / SD thread or any other for that matter - and nor will someone's opinion of me stop me - if I want to post, I will.

If you think In One is having a go about you, which you have stated a few times now : he has already told you it's not directed at you - so I'm really lost as to why you are convinced otherwise - but I'm not entirely sure this is the place to address that - because all that is doing: is indeed: proving what InOne has said.

Back to his suggestion and reasons : here's one of mine....

As an example: Omah - some things I agree with them about in SD threads - other times I could not be more opposed to them. What puts me off is Omah's tendency to offer less personal viewpoints, less of what 'they' want to say: and instead, Omah tends to copy and paste much. that's their style - and so be it - however, I'm also aware that that type of posting style, does annoy others who are able to comment using their own words.

Just as my own blunt, no nonsense, approach will annoy and rankle others.

In One has a right to his opinion - he's given it and in honesty: you do seem to be giving him a hard time for having his own voice on something that was - a suggestion.

Yes some do not all....
Brow beaten...If he has reached a conclusion is it unfair to ask how he arrived at that?
Many threads in the SD forum cause confrontation and heated debate.
My query was why he suggested it affected the politics threads specifically?

I agree with you entirely on one issue I will continue to post my opinions also regardless of anyones objections.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah, if people stopped posting those kind of silly stories (and posted them in the right section) it probably would help too.

I think it's a hard one to call when it's classed as 'News' though.

Eg: earlier this morning, there's a story in the News about an reprobate of a man kicking and beating hell out of an old German Shepherd dog - now some may not regard that as 'Serious News'... but it is still a News story.

I think this is where the waters become muddied.

Lighthearted News vs Serious News stories ...?????

Dunno.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I think it's a hard one to call when it's classed as 'News' though.

Eg: earlier this morning, there's a story in the News about an reprobate of a man kicking and beating hell out of an old German Shepherd dog - now some may not regard that as 'Serious News'... but it is still a News story.

I think this is where the waters become muddied.

Lighthearted News vs Serious News stories ...?????

Dunno.

Well one would hope people could just make an educated decision and go from there.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I do agree that news stories should be unmerged. It causes some problems when we get things like 'this cat can use a toaster' etc in with more serious discussions. Gets annoying moving them all

in my experience the jokey news stories are usually posted in General Chat whereas current affairs gets put into Serious Debates & News stories

more trivial news in celeb news, and celeb deaths in their respective forum (musician in music, actor in film, etc.)

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Yes some do not all....
Brow beaten...If he has reached a conclusion is it unfair to ask how he arrived at that?
Many threads in the SD forum cause confrontation and heated debate.
My query was why he suggested it affected the politics threads specifically?

I agree with you entirely on one issue I will continue to post my opinions also regardless of anyones objections.

He has given the reasons for his conclusion.

SD is for serious debates: thus it should be robust enough to handle 'confrontation and heated debate' - as long as it remains in the thrust of the subject matter - which often, it doesn't - it degenerates to becoming personal - often mocking someone's opinion rather than respectfully disagreeing.

I cannot answer for InOne re your final question; I can offer my view on how I'm reading what's been written - the replies he has given throughout the thread: to me, it seems that he feels that any thread that falls under the Political topics banner in particular, are the ones that he feels degenerate to the point that reasonsonable and civil debate is impossible - and that he feels that most of the threads in the SD side of the forum: fall into that very category - making him avoid that section. In avoiding it: he may miss rather interesting other SD threads.

That's my take.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well one would hope people could just make an educated decision and go from there.

Yep, Like I said in my first post on here: "Common sense prevails..."

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

He has given the reasons for his conclusion.

SD is for serious debates: thus it should be robust enough to handle 'confrontation and heated debate' - as long as it remains in the thrust of the subject matter - which often, it doesn't - it degenerates to becoming personal - often mocking someone's opinion rather than respectfully disagreeing.

I cannot answer for InOne re your final question; I can offer my view on how I'm reading what's been written - the replies he has given throughout the thread: to me, it seems that he feels that any thread that falls under the Political topics banner in particular, are the ones that he feels degenerate to the point that reasonsonable and civil debate is impossible - and that he feels that most of the threads in the SD side of the forum: fall into that very category - making him avoid that section. In avoiding it: he may miss rather interesting other SD threads.

That's my take.

Never was a truer word was spoken pyra!

Why is this? reasonable and civil debate is impossible...
When has that ever occured?
We are reasonable adults, we post our opinions ..and site reputable articles as reference. Why would you suggest we cannot hold a reasoned debate?
I can, you two can speak for yourselves!

[InOne]

Well the way some of the topics have ended I'd hardly call it reasonable debate.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well the way some of the topics have ended I'd hardly call it reasonable debate.

Example please?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Example please?

That's bacially the same as naming names.


I'm not one to start drama kizzy, you know this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by InOne

That's bacially the same as naming names.


I'm not one to start drama kizzy, you know this.

Like **** you're not!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Like **** you're not!

I know what you think this thread is all about. I noticed it when you quoted my post to Livia. I can assure you it's not like that at all, that's what I said lastnight too and you were having none of it then so doubt you will now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by InOne

I know what you think this thread is all about. I noticed it when you quoted my post to Livia. I can assure you it's not like that at all, that's what I said lastnight too and you were having none of it then so doubt you will now.

Don't bring livia into this, unless you think that she is somehow instrumental in the collapse of the political threads?....
Hmmm, I had never thought of that.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Don't bring livia into this, unless you think that she is somehow instrumental in the collapse of the political threads?....
Hmmm, I had never thought of that.

I'm not bringing anyone into anything. I mentioned a reply being quoted, nothing to do with what was posted.

Anyway, I'm right you're wrong. So that is that. But if mad conspiracies make you happy then that's up to you.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Don't bring livia into this, unless you think that she is somehow instrumental in the collapse of the political threads?....
Hmmm, I had never thought of that.

Quite a deflection there Kizzy, using another person's innocent post as a means to (what could - could - be perceived as a snipe at another poster) ..... personally I'd say that was quite an appropriate example of what InOne was possibly getting at - not perhaps YOU - but as an example of the 'type' of posts that start the decline.....

Why is this? reasonable and civil debate is impossible...
When has that ever occured?
We are reasonable adults, we post our opinions ..and site reputable articles as reference. Why would you suggest we cannot hold a reasoned debate?
I can, you two can speak for yourselves!

I'm happy to speak for myself - I'm not so sure about my speaking for anyone else though - I wouldn't be so bold.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by InOne

I'm not bringing anyone into anything. I mentioned a reply being quoted, nothing to do with what was posted.

Anyway, I'm right you're wrong. So that is that. But if mad conspiracies make you happy then that's up to you.

Is that all you wanted? 5 pages just to say that dearie me. I know what you meant regarding livias post
nay worries joe. Lets leave it then.