[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

PMSL.... 'I've designed the system to avoid all the selfishness and tribalism'...... you don't think not allowing others a choice isn't small minded. Okaaaay .......

I don't have a fragile ego, I don't have to be concerned about pacifiying it. I'm more concerned with allowing people a choice in whether they want their genes & DNA used and given to persons unknown - without the fear of someone wanting to know 20 years later "Who IS my real dad / mum"...... let me go hunt them down and screw their lives up because they were forced to give their eggs/sperm.

you'd be asking "who's my REAL DAD?" no. what does that mean? would you rather let people with no parental skills at all have children, then you'll be asking "why was my REAL DAD raping me and no body helped me?" "why was my real mom selling me to strangers for drugs?"

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you'd be asking "who's my REAL DAD?" no. what does that mean? would you rather let people with no parental skills at all have children, then you'll be asking "why was my REAL DAD raping me and no body helped me?" "why was my real mom selling me to strangers for drugs?"

I'd not be asking anything. I know who my parents were and both of them were willing participants in creating a new life.

they way you put it over - it's as though incest is a normal every day part of family life in the main ..... hate to break it to you: It's not.

All of which is side tracking from the thread though........

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'd not be asking anything. I know who my parents were and both of them were willing participants in creating a new life.

they way you put it over - it's as though incest is a normal every day part of family life in the main ..... hate to break it to you: It's not.

All of which is side tracking from the thread though........

actually it is. the statistics are that 1 out of every 4 children have been sexually assaulted by the age of 18, and the vast majority of those assaults are from within the house.

1 out of 4 is A LOT.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

actually it is. the statistics are that 1 out of every 4 children have been sexually assaulted by the age of 18, and the vast majority of those assaults are from within the house.

1 out of 4 is A LOT.

1 out of 4 is not 'in the main;, it is not a majority - it's still remains a low percentage...it means that 75% are free of such things and lead happy, fruitful, loving, caring lives and who will no doubt pass those good attributes onto their own children should they wish to have any.

That still does not mean that a surrogate parent / child, deemed to be the perfect parent as per your description - doesn't mean they will not do the same thing. Pretending that IVF/test tube babies and 'parents being chosen' will maketh the perfect human race is as crazy as anything I've ever heard. they may as well just make clones.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

1 out of 4 is not 'in the main;, it is not a majority - it's still remains a low percentage...it means that 75% are free of such things and lead happy, fruitful, loving, caring lives and who will no doubt pass those good attributes onto their own children should they wish to have any.

That still does not mean that a surrogate parent / child, deemed to be the perfect parent as per your description - doesn't mean they will not do the same thing. Pretending that IVF/test tube babies and 'parents being chosen' will maketh the perfect human race is as crazy as anything I've ever heard. they may as well just make clones.

really? it's a low percentage???

if Airplanes had a 1 in 4 chance of crashing, would you get on a plane? how many times would you fly?

1 out of every 4 flights crash, and you'd get on a plane? i don't think so.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

really? it's a low percentage???

if Airplanes had a 1 in 4 chance of crashing, would you get on a plane? how many times would you fly?

The chances of car crashes are higher and I drive every day....not that that has anything at all to do with what we are speaking of.

How about addressing the points that are on topic..... or are you intending to continue to avoid them?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

The chances of car crashes are higher and I driver every day....not that that has anything at all to do with what we are speaking of.

How about addressing the points that are on topic..... or are you intending to continue to avoid them?

umm, what? no, the chances of dying in a car crash are FAR lower than 1 out of 4, what are you talking about??

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by lostalex

actually it is. the statistics are that 1 out of every 4 children have been sexually assaulted by the age of 18, and the vast majority of those assaults are from within the house.

1 out of 4 is A LOT.

That might be so but why do you think getting people to adopt lab made children would stop that? It's not as if people are going to write on their application form Paedophilia and rape as one of their hobbies

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That might be so but why do you think getting people to adopt lab made children would stop that? It's not as if people are going to write on their application form Paedophilia and rape as one of their hobbies

Sick black humour kicked in there. Sorry.

since the idea is to 'force sperm and eggs to be taken at puberty' from these poor children....... that's a form of abuse in it's own right - and apart from which: at such an age as puberty: such deviant inclinations may not have yet presented themselves in said sperm/egg donor.

There's no way anyone can honestly take this all seriously !!!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you'd be asking "who's my REAL DAD?" no. what does that mean? would you rather let people with no parental skills at all have children, then you'll be asking "why was my REAL DAD raping me and no body helped me?" "why was my real mom selling me to strangers for drugs?"

All this money might be better spent in improving the social welfare system, increasing social workers for children and making and enforcing stricter rules when it comes to children in homes where they're not being taken care of properly. Sterilising the human race is unnatural and frankly quite barbaric

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

All this money might be better spent in improving the social welfare system, increasing social workers for children and making and enforcing stricter rules when it comes to children in homes where they're not being taken care of properly. Sterilising the human race is unnatural and frankly quite barbaric

the human race is barbaric. my solution is not. My solution is fighting fire with water.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by lostalex

the human race is barbaric. my solution is not. My solution is fighting fire with water.

There are some very bad parents out there definitely but there are also some amazing parents. I don't think punishing every parent or potential parent is the answer though and is very unfair. It would be like putting everyone in prison to prevent crime.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There are some very bad parents out there definitely but there are also some amazing parents. I don't think punishing every parent or potential parent is the answer though and is very unfair. It would be like putting everyone in prison to prevent crime.

i'm not proposing punishing anyone. Requiring parents to prove thjey are good parents and capable parents BEFORE they are allowed to care for children, how is that "punishing" anyone?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i'm not proposing punishing anyone. Requiring parents to prove thjey are good parents and capable parents BEFORE they are allowed to care for children, how is that "punishing" anyone?

Taking away a persons right to have their own biological children, forcibly sterilising them and taking away the most amazing experience a woman can have by carrying her own child.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Taking away a persons right to have their own biological children, forcibly sterilising them and taking away the most amazing experience a woman can have by carrying her own child.

that's not punishment anymore than requiring someone to have a driver's license is punishment. having a child is much more serious than driving a car.