[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Taking away a persons right to have their own biological children, forcibly sterilising them and taking away the most amazing experience a woman can have by carrying her own child.

Originally Posted by lostalex

that's not punishment anymore than requiring someone to have a driver's license is punishment. having a child is much more serious than driving a car.

Where did you get the 'car' / 'driving licence' comparison bit from - Niamh's post said nothing about that. It was detailing the rights of forcibly disallowing people to have their own children, and for a woman to experience a human life growing inside her.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I think Alex assumed the 'state' will somehow be more fair when selecting who can and can't reproduce.

The state is merely a group of people, all fallable and all just as flawed as anyone else.

Spot on.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

that's not punishment anymore than requiring someone to have a driver's license is punishment. having a child is much more serious than driving a car.

Of course it is. Anyway, this is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've allowed myself to get in to. I'm going to leave it there.

[flamingGalah!]

Oh dear, looks like lostalex has lost his mind again

Back on topic...

Yes me & my partner have discussed this & we would prefer to have a surrogate, but it's not something we will be rushing right now, even though we have been together for 11 years...

[lostalex]

you can't even follow you're own logic, so i don't know why i was dumb enuf to expect you to follow mine lol.

I'm arguing with big brother fans. that makes ME the idiot. i apologize for being so stupid.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Oh dear, looks like lostalex has lost his mind again

Back on topic...

Yes me & my partner have discussed this & we would prefer to have a surrogate, but it's not something we will be rushing right now, even though we have been together for 11 years...

I'm not maternal but it really is heartbreaking when I know people who I know would make the most wonderful parents, who are even having difficult getting into fostering - so my heart really goes out to those who have to look to surrogacy etc and all that it entails. Life can be very unfair.

[Redway]

No.

You don't get to change the rules of nature just because you happen to fit into a particular group.

Gay people wanting to have kids naturally is completely ... well ... unnatural and just wrong. If they can't put up with adoption then it's not my problem.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Redway

No.

You don't get to change the rules of nature just because you happen to fit into a particular group.

Gay people wanting to have kids naturally is completely ... well ... unnatural and just wrong. If they can't put up with adoption then it's not my problem.

I'm really having a hard time believing what you've written above - it's not often I'm gobsmacked - but you've achieved that.

[fruit_cake]

it's unnatural to have central heating and hot water, are they wrong too?????

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

it's unnatural to have central heating and hot water, are they wrong too?????

Not up in Scotland it's not... it's positively necessary !!

sorry...

I dont think there is anything unatural at all for a person/people to want to nurture, care, love and want to raise a human being - I'd far rather gay parents who were able to do that than some of the examples of 'hetro' parents - stories of which we are all too familiar with.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Redway

No.

You don't get to change the rules of nature just because you happen to fit into a particular group.

Gay people wanting to have kids naturally is completely ... well ... unnatural and just wrong. If they can't put up with adoption then it's not my problem.

Please stop trying so hard to be "offensive" & having a "radical" view, it really doesn't make you look big or clever, just incredibly immature & stupid...

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Not up in Scotland it's not... it's positively necessary !!

sorry...

I dont think there is anything unatural at all for a person/people to want to nurture, care, love and want to raise a human being - I'd far rather gay parents who were able to do that than some of the examples of 'hetro' parents - stories of which we are all too familiar with.

Don't get me wrong, gay people are more than free to adopt and I support that notion, but imo having children biologically should be between a man and a woman.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Redway

Don't get me wrong, gay people are more than free to adopt and I support that notion, but imo having children biologically should be between a man and a woman.

What about women (or men) in a hetro relationship, who cannot conceive naturally - are you against nature being given a helping hand? It still requires the cells from both a man and a woman........

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Redway

Don't get me wrong, gay people are more than free to adopt and I support that notion, but imo having children biologically should be between a man and a woman.

Erm the woman would still be having the baby, you do know that gay men can't have babies right?? Only difference is that 2 men would bring up the baby, rather than a man & a woman...

[Shaun]

Well there go my plans to biologically conceive a child with Pablo.

[Beso]

If it shuts them up about it then yes gays can adopt.

Hopefully the kid will leave home at 16 and see the world in it's own right.

[Sam:)]

Im a few pages behind but if some bitch tried to steralise me id cum so hard it would blast her into a wall!

SPERM POWER

[Niall]

I would do it in a heartbeat. I would love to have children of my own or my (future) partner's decent if I could. If I couldn't then I'd adopt, but I'd like to have a kid who's biologically connected with me if possible.

I read in the news a while back that they've made a breakthrough in transferring male DNA to eggs to create offspring with male/male parents - in animals that is. But I'm sure it won't be long before that can happen with people, which is pretty damn exciting.

[Doogle]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Please stop trying so hard to be "offensive" & having a "radical" view, it really doesn't make you look big or clever, just incredibly immature & stupid...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niall

I would do it in a heartbeat. I would love to have children of my own or my (future) partner's decent if I could. If I couldn't then I'd adopt, but I'd like to have a kid who's biologically connected with me if possible.

I read in the news a while back that they've made a breakthrough in transferring male DNA to eggs to create offspring with male/male parents - in animals that is. But I'm sure it won't be long before that can happen with people, which is pretty damn exciting.

That sound really interesting - I'm aware there are animals/ creatures whereby it is the male who fertilises the female eggs and carries the offspring to birth - but they still need to female to produce the eggs (seahorses as example): but what you've said sounds as though there is no female involvement at all - very interesting stuff indeed.