[Kazanne]

Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.

you called them plebs. you gonna resign from your job?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.

It's incredibly disturbing that we live in a society whereby a policeman initially kicking up a fuss over a heated exchange of words, can result in someone losing their job through an alleged insult and the frenzy caused by this resignation means people are out celebrating & rejoicing- yet a policeman who tasers a blind man is not subject to the same amount of witch hunt and treatment.

What a bizarre place the UK is.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's incredibly disturbing that we live in a society whereby a policeman initially kicking up a fuss over a heated exchange of words, can result in someone losing their job through an alleged insult and the frenzy caused by this resignation means people are out celebrating & rejoicing- yet a policeman who tasers a blind man is not subject to the same amount of witch hunt and treatment.

What a bizarre place the UK is.

Ey up pyra! All he had to do was tell the truth... it's not hard most do it all the time.
That woild put an end to all the supposition, too late now though eh?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Ey up pyra! All he had to do was tell the truth... it's not hard most do it all the time.
That woild put an end to all the supposition, too late now though eh?

Ey up Kiz!

Thing is: you hit the nail on the head: it was supposition. He claims he was telling the truth by saying he did not call him a pleb, the copper says he did.

Very childish game of ''He said/she said" over something that has never been proven.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.

Obviously if you don't like the tories you will believe the police?..
Why is this then, I would like to believe whoever is telling the truth but we only have one account to put up for examination as Mr Mitchell is unwilling to admit what he said.
Should that make him guilty by default, what other option do we have...sweep it under the carpet?
No, it is important that as a representative of the UK government he is held accountable.
I would love everyone who suggests the police are plebs to do their job for a week..
This type pf comment proves the danger behind this attitude, the public viewing the police as incompetent jobsworths, undermining the progress made between communities and the police over several years.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Obviously if you don't like the tories you will believe the police?..
Why is this then, I would like to believe whoever is telling the truth but we only have one account to put up for examination as Mr Mitchell is unwilling to admit what he said.
Should that make him guilty by default, what other option do we have...sweep it under the carpet?
No, it is important that as a representative of the UK government he is held accountable.
I would love everyone who suggests the police are plebs to do their job for a week..
This type pf comment proves the danger behind this attitude, the public viewing the police as incompetent jobsworths, undermining the progress made between communities and the police over several years.

Hillsborough.
Blind man tasered.

2 very recent examples in the press showing just how incompetent the police are (and if you take the JSaville situ into it, you can add all of those police who were involved into that mix).
The very same can be said of many: including Mr Mitchell but I've yet to have it confirmed where his incompetency lies?

As for him having to be held accountable. He was. He admitted it, he apologised, policeman accepted apology - and no doubt he also received a dressing down from the PM - that's what's called accountability. That should have been the end of it.

Wanting someone to lose their job & rejoicing over it, for having a heated exchange of words, with absolutly no proof of him calling the copper a pleb - is beyond any rationale - imo of course.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Hillsborough.
Blind man tasered.

2 very recent examples in the press showing just how incompetent the police are (and if you take the JSaville situ into it, you can add all of those police who were involved into that mix).
The very same can be said of many: including Mr Mitchell but I've yet to have it confirmed where his incompetency lies?

As for him having to be held accountable. He was. He admitted it, he apologised, policeman accepted apology - and no doubt he also received a dressing down from the PM - that's what's called accountability. That should have been the end of it.

Wanting someone to lose their job & rejoicing over it, for having a heated exchange of words, with absolutly no proof of him calling the copper a pleb - is beyond any rationale - imo of course.

Are we just throwing any unrelated issue into the mix now?
Shall I start googling tory scandals and cover-ups?
The supergun affair....The sinking of the Belgrano?....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Are we just throwing any unrelated issue into the mix now?
Shall I start googling tory scandals and cover-ups?
The supergun affair....The sinking of the Belgrano?....

It's called offereing comparisons - and it's relevant given your overall consensus of the 'attitude' to the police in general - as per the post I quoted you on earlier.

I'm happy to have offered comparisions that have shown how inept the police can be that have been spotlighted in recent weeks.

What can you show to back up your claim that Mr Mitchell was inept at this job?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's called offereing comparisons - and it's relevant given your overall consensus of the 'attitude' to the police in general - as per the post I quoted you on earlier.

I'm happy to have offered comparisions that have shown how inept the police can be that have been spotlighted in recent weeks.

What can you show to back up your claim that Mr Mitchell was inept at this job?

This whole issue is an example of his ineptitude, the role of chief whip is to ensure standards are maintained. That MP's behave in a manner fitting of their status and conduct themselves in public with dignity. Making sure they don't compromise themselves by receiving negative press that brings both them and their party into disrepute...
Nevermind the 'yes but what about' I am discussing this issue on this thread as it is the topic offered by the OP.
If we start flying off on a tangent where will it end?....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

This whole issue is an example of his ineptitude, the role of chief whip is to ensure standards are maintained. That MP's behave in a manner fitting of their status and conduct themselves in public with dignity. Making sure they don't compromise themselves andrecieve negative press that brings themselves and their party into disrepute...
Nevermind the 'yes but what about' I am discussing this issue on this thread as it is the topic offered by the OP.
If we start flying off on a tangent where will it end?....

You brought into play the generalisation of the attitudes overall towards the police - I addressed what you brought into the discussion yourself.


What was an example of his ineptitude of his working role? That he was human, had a slight altercation with an equally feisty and equally vocal policeman? I'd regard that as him being human rather than some robot.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Obviously if you don't like the tories you will believe the police?..
Why is this then, I would like to believe whoever is telling the truth but we only have one account to put up for examination as Mr Mitchell is unwilling to admit what he said.
Should that make him guilty by default, what other option do we have...sweep it under the carpet?
No, it is important that as a representative of the UK government he is held accountable.
I would love everyone who suggests the police are plebs to do their job for a week..
This type pf comment proves the danger behind this attitude, the public viewing the police as incompetent jobsworths, undermining the progress made between communities and the police over several years.

guilty of what? calling someone a pleb, get over yourself, there's people in this country that dont know where their next penny's coming from and your condemming a man for calling someone a pleb.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by wannashag

guilty of what? calling someone a pleb, get over yourself, there's people in this country that dont know where their next penny's coming from and your condemming a man for calling someone a pleb.

Get over myself...Hey I didn't ask him to resign did I? haha