[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes the Pleb has Fallen on his Sword


Potty Mouth Lesson

[arista]

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

This is a total storm in a *******ing teacup, so a Minister had a bad day in the office and took it out on policeman who wouldn't open the gate to let him through with his bike. So a few angry words may have been exchanged , he may have even used the P word.

So what...!!!! Nobody cares it's a minor matter between two adults NOT an International news event tying up half the worlds media when there are other more important news stories not being covered or disclosed to the Public.

What is it with our Society with these political non stories, I mean should a Man an M.P a Minister a man who clearly has something to offer , resign from his post because he called a policeman a pleb ??? Seriously c'mon folks our society is going down the toilet and we are devoting precious time energy and resources on this nonsense..!!!

Seems like I got this wrong, thought common sense would prevail and this would blow over after the apologies. But now it looks like the Minister in question has resigned over this. He was almost certainly pushed and I wonder what was used as leverage in this case. Perhaps he was promised a way back in after the next re-shuffle. Still think its odd that he actually resigned over this.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Seems like I got this wrong, thought common sense would prevail and this would blow over after the apologies. But now it looks like the Minister in question has resigned over this. He was almost certainly pushed and I wonder what was used as leverage in this case. Perhaps he was promised a way back in after the next re-shuffle. Still think its odd that he actually resigned over this.

Its the fact he lied about it that killed him if he had been honest and apoligised he would have been fine but thats not natural to a tory.

[arista]

The Point is
he could not do his Job proper.

His respect was lost.

[joeysteele]

He did David Cameron no favours by staying on so long. It still remains though that he clearly did nothing that resulted in his arrest for anything he said. So for me it is unfair someone loses their status in such a scenario.

Maybe had he said he did use the word, it might have gone away,as it is you have him in effect saying the Police are lying as to the words used and they in effect saying he is too.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He did David Cameron no favours by staying on so long. It still remains though that he clearly did nothing that resulted in his arrest for anything he said. So for me it is unfair someone loses their status in such a scenario.

Maybe had he said he did use the word, it might have gone away,as it is you have him in effect saying the Police are lying as to the words used and they in effect saying he is too.

I don't suppose Mr Mitchell will ever admit to using the dreaded "P" word , I mean its up there with the "N" word and the "C" word.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Is he good at his job? Yes. Should he have said what he did? No. Did he apologise unreservedly, and personally to the officer on the receiving end? Yes. Did the police take any action? No. Is this insult going to devastate the copper he said it to forever? Erm... no. Massive storm in a little teacup.

Is he good at his job? No, not if he can't conduct himself correctly.
Should he have done what he did? No.
Did he apologize? Yes, did he admit responsibility for the things he said? No.
Is this issue important? Yes, it damaged the image of the conservative party further and soured relations between the government and the police federation.
How the public view those in positions of power, responsibility and trust is important.

[Alf]

what a disgusting nation we've become, when a man has to resign from his job just for having an opinion.

[Kazanne]

Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by wannashag

what a disgusting nation we've become, when a man has to resign from his job just for having an opinion.

What opinion did he have?
And how can the nation be blamed for his resignation? haha!

[Omah]

Originally Posted by wannashag

what a disgusting nation we've become, when a man has to resign from his job just for having an opinion.

What's your opinion of your boss?

If it's derogatory, tell him/her and see how long you keep your job "for having an opinion"

[Alf]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.

you called them plebs. you gonna resign from your job?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by kizzy

What opinion did he have?
And how can the nation be blamed for his resignation? haha!

if you didn't know his a opinion was that police are plebs, is that a crime?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Omah

What's your opinion of your boss?

If it's derogatory, tell him/her and see how long you keep your job "for having an opinion"

i tell him everyday what a prick he is, then we go for a pint together

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.

It's incredibly disturbing that we live in a society whereby a policeman initially kicking up a fuss over a heated exchange of words, can result in someone losing their job through an alleged insult and the frenzy caused by this resignation means people are out celebrating & rejoicing- yet a policeman who tasers a blind man is not subject to the same amount of witch hunt and treatment.

What a bizarre place the UK is.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.

Obviously if you don't like the tories you will believe the police?..
Why is this then, I would like to believe whoever is telling the truth but we only have one account to put up for examination as Mr Mitchell is unwilling to admit what he said.
Should that make him guilty by default, what other option do we have...sweep it under the carpet?
No, it is important that as a representative of the UK government he is held accountable.
I would love everyone who suggests the police are plebs to do their job for a week..
This type pf comment proves the danger behind this attitude, the public viewing the police as incompetent jobsworths, undermining the progress made between communities and the police over several years.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by wannashag

if you didn't know his a opinion was that police are plebs, is that a crime?

I suggest we test the theory..
You walk up to a police officer and call him a pleb, see what happens.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I suggest you test your theory..
Walk up to a police officer and call him a pleb, see what happens.

i cant imagine much would happen, they would probably laugh about it, i know for a fact i wouldn't have to resign from my job.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by wannashag

i cant imagine much would happen, they would probably laugh about it, i know for a fact i wouldn't have to resign from my job.

Yep, i'm sure they would have a right old giggle at that

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Obviously if you don't like the tories you will believe the police?..
Why is this then, I would like to believe whoever is telling the truth but we only have one account to put up for examination as Mr Mitchell is unwilling to admit what he said.
Should that make him guilty by default, what other option do we have...sweep it under the carpet?
No, it is important that as a representative of the UK government he is held accountable.
I would love everyone who suggests the police are plebs to do their job for a week..
This type pf comment proves the danger behind this attitude, the public viewing the police as incompetent jobsworths, undermining the progress made between communities and the police over several years.

Hillsborough.
Blind man tasered.

2 very recent examples in the press showing just how incompetent the police are (and if you take the JSaville situ into it, you can add all of those police who were involved into that mix).
The very same can be said of many: including Mr Mitchell but I've yet to have it confirmed where his incompetency lies?

As for him having to be held accountable. He was. He admitted it, he apologised, policeman accepted apology - and no doubt he also received a dressing down from the PM - that's what's called accountability. That should have been the end of it.

Wanting someone to lose their job & rejoicing over it, for having a heated exchange of words, with absolutly no proof of him calling the copper a pleb - is beyond any rationale - imo of course.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Obviously if you don't like the tories you will believe the police?..
Why is this then, I would like to believe whoever is telling the truth but we only have one account to put up for examination as Mr Mitchell is unwilling to admit what he said.
Should that make him guilty by default, what other option do we have...sweep it under the carpet?
No, it is important that as a representative of the UK government he is held accountable.
I would love everyone who suggests the police are plebs to do their job for a week..
This type pf comment proves the danger behind this attitude, the public viewing the police as incompetent jobsworths, undermining the progress made between communities and the police over several years.

guilty of what? calling someone a pleb, get over yourself, there's people in this country that dont know where their next penny's coming from and your condemming a man for calling someone a pleb.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's incredibly disturbing that we live in a society whereby a policeman initially kicking up a fuss over a heated exchange of words, can result in someone losing their job through an alleged insult and the frenzy caused by this resignation means people are out celebrating & rejoicing- yet a policeman who tasers a blind man is not subject to the same amount of witch hunt and treatment.

What a bizarre place the UK is.

Ey up pyra! All he had to do was tell the truth... it's not hard most do it all the time.
That woild put an end to all the supposition, too late now though eh?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by wannashag

guilty of what? calling someone a pleb, get over yourself, there's people in this country that dont know where their next penny's coming from and your condemming a man for calling someone a pleb.

Get over myself...Hey I didn't ask him to resign did I? haha

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Hillsborough.
Blind man tasered.

2 very recent examples in the press showing just how incompetent the police are (and if you take the JSaville situ into it, you can add all of those police who were involved into that mix).
The very same can be said of many: including Mr Mitchell but I've yet to have it confirmed where his incompetency lies?

As for him having to be held accountable. He was. He admitted it, he apologised, policeman accepted apology - and no doubt he also received a dressing down from the PM - that's what's called accountability. That should have been the end of it.

Wanting someone to lose their job & rejoicing over it, for having a heated exchange of words, with absolutly no proof of him calling the copper a pleb - is beyond any rationale - imo of course.

Are we just throwing any unrelated issue into the mix now?
Shall I start googling tory scandals and cover-ups?
The supergun affair....The sinking of the Belgrano?....