[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's an air of double standards here Kizzy, Alcohol's okay because it's only dangerous if abused but Cannabis isn't acceptable even though the health risks involved are nowhere near as bad?

The people you have known have probably used bad batches, Stu's earlier post pretty much deals with the paranoia bit quite handily. It's caused by bad plants rather then the drug itself. Places in which it's legalised most likely have regulations and guidelines when it comes to growing plants correctly.

As for your last point, if that's the case then why not ban aclcohol since drink driving is a lot more prevalent. You can't really make a point against Cannabis without inadvertently making a more damning case against Alcohol.

Nobody knows for certain how bad the potential health risks could be.
How would the authorities know the source of your cannabis ?
Your last point makes no sense to me... If I make a point against cannabis, how on earth does that affect anything in relation to alcohol consumption and the associated health and social implications of it?...
I am not advocating people drink alcohol, all I am suggesting is people don't use cannabis.
That is not a double standard.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Nobody knows for certain how bad the potential health risks could be.
How would the authorities know the source of your cannabis ?
Your last point makes no sense to me... If I make a point against cannabis, how on earth does that affect anything in relation to alcohol consumption and the associated health and social implications of it?...
I am not advocating people drink alcohol, all I am suggesting is people don't use cannabis.
That is not a double standard.

Except the health risks involved with Cannabis are widely known and they are less dangerous then cigerattes and alcohol?

In these two states growing your own cannabis is still illegal, you have to purchase it and chances are the sellers will have to adhere to guidelines and regulations involving the growing and cultivation as well as probably having a license or a permit to actually sell the product. In places where it's legal they aren't just letting anyone sell it.

You've defended alcohol by saying it's only dangerous when you abuse it but you aren't willing to extend the same train of thought to Cannabis although it's medically proven to be less harmful then Alcohol and you've tried to dream up various scenarios where it would be dangerous to partake in it when in fact if you replaced it with Alcohol it would make the situation more treacherous.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except the health risks involved with Cannabis are widely known and they are less dangerous then cigerattes and alcohol?

In these two states growing your own cannabis is still illegal, you have to purchase it and chances are the sellers will have to adhere to guidelines and regulations involving the growing and cultivation as well as probably having a license or a permit to actually sell the product. In places where it's legal they aren't just letting anyone sell it.

You've defended alcohol by saying it's only dangerous when you abuse it but you aren't willing to extend the same train of thought to Cannabis although it's medically proven to be less harmful then Alcohol and you've tried to dream up various scenarios where it would be dangerous to partake in it when in fact if you replaced it with Alcohol it would make the situation more treacherous.

Where is the evidence to support this claim?
'The chances are' means you have no idea and are probably simply speculating.
How is it less harmful than alcohol?
I haven't dreamt anything... What situation are you referring to...replace how much alcohol with how much cannabis, over what timeframe?
Dezzy, the bottom line is I don't agree with the legalisation... What I, you or anyone think of cigarettes and alcohol won't change that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Where is the evidence to support this claim?
'The chances are' means you have no idea and are probably simply speculating.
How is it less harmful than alcohol?
I haven't dreamt anything... What situation are you referring to...replace how much alcohol with how much cannabis, over what timeframe?
Dezzy, the bottom line is I don't agree with the legalisation... What I, you or anyone think of cigarettes and alcohol won't change that.

Hmm everywhere? Just google it, It's not considered a dangerous drug at all. In fact it's believed to help with various diseases AND have some health benefits. You can't say that for alcohol or cigarettes.

Are you seriously that ignorant that you don't know how it's less harmful then alcohol? Alcohol raises the risk of heart problems, Mouth and Throat Cancer, Cirrhosis, high blood pressure and women who drink a lot run the risk of doubling their chances of getting Breast Cancer. The only health risk you've offered up for Cannabis is that bad batches of it may cause Paranoia....

Unlike you Kizzy, I know what I'm talking about but I'm not sure of the specifics of the regulations for the two states of America so I made educated assumptions based on what I know of the laws in other places that have legalised it.

I don't know how you can justify opposing the legislation when you know next to nothing about the drug in question, it just seems incredibly ignorant.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Hmm everywhere? Just google it, It's not considered a dangerous drug at all. In fact it's believed to help with various diseases AND have some health benefits. You can't say that for alcohol or cigarettes.

Are you seriously that ignorant that you don't know how it's less harmful then alcohol? Alcohol raises the risk of heart problems, Mouth and Throat Cancer, Cirrhosis, high blood pressure and women who drink a lot run the risk of doubling their chances of getting Breast Cancer. The only health risk you've offered up for Cannabis is that bad batches of it may cause Paranoia....

Unlike you Kizzy, I know what I'm talking about but I'm not sure of the specifics of the regulations for the two states of America so I made educated assumptions based on what I know of the laws in other places that have legalised it.

I don't know how you can justify opposing the legislation when you know next to nothing about the drug in question, it just seems incredibly ignorant.

How unbelievably rude.
So i'm ignorant... and you know everything because you 'googled' and some stoner on a forum told you....lets leave the 'debate' there shall we?
Please don't insult me again, I have nothing else to say to you on this topic.

[Ramsay]

Dezzy, perfection

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Unlike you Kizzy, I know what I'm talking about

dean ily but calm down gurl

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kizzy

How unbelievably rude.
So i'm ignorant... and you know everything because you 'googled' and some stoner on a forum told you....lets leave the 'debate' there shall we?
Please don't insult me again, I have nothing else to say to you on this topic.

Calling you ignorant is an observation not an insult, It's not my fault I did research on the subject before posting in the topic while you did none. You should at least try to educate yourself on a topic before posting in SD. Also drop the 'I'm a victim wah wah' act, You tried to derail my points through ignoring half of my posts that made sense and going after minor points and deflecting as much as humanly possible to hide the fact that you know NOTHING of the subject. Don't get pissy now that you've been exposed.

I will however accept your admittance of defeat and will advise you to stay out of SD if you can't handle a debate. If you can't handle the heat then stay the hell out of the kitchen.

[Kizzy]

I taught a class on drug awareness to level 2 National Diploma student as part of my Public Services degree.
However you can think whatever you like.

[Tom4784]

I struggle to believe that given how little you've shown yourself to know in this thread but whatever you say Kizzy.

[Kizzy]

If you had offered anything in the way of proof for your claims I might have posted some stats or evidence to support my opinion.

[Tom4784]

Oh Kizzy just stop, you've already admitted defeat and this is just getting sad. I've made several good points that you've chosen to ignore so why should I make an effort when you'll ignore anything I post anyway?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh Kizzy just stop, you've already admitted defeat and this is just getting sad. I've made several good points that you've chosen to ignore so why should I make an effort when you'll ignore anything I post anyway?

In my opinion they were not good points..they were unsubstantiated nonsense.
When you chose to insult a forum member due to the fact they disagreed with your 'facts' you negated your whole argument dezzy.
As you said this is serious debates.. I was far from defeated, just shocked at your outburst in this section.

[Tom4784]

I don't care about anything you have to say because we're three pages in and you haven't provided a decent argument yet. You can find evidence of my claims all around since I've stated nothing that isn't already widely known.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't care about anything you have to say because we're three pages in and you haven't provided a decent argument yet. You can find evidence of my claims all around since I've stated nothing that isn't already widely known.

You have posted nothing of any merit, I have asked you to reveal the sources of your information and you refuse.

If I post some information for you will you please stop insulting me?
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/expertadvic.../cannabis.aspx

There you go, once again can I say I do not agree with the legalisation.

[Ammi]

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/11..._marijuana.php

http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/

http://phys.org/news157280425.html

http://blog.norml.org/2011/11/01/stu...ot-is-illegal/

http://scienceblogs.com/scientificac...-and-tobacc-1/

http://scienceblogs.com/scientificac...-and-tobacc-1/

...alcohol is more harmful than Cannabis...that much isn't really debateable..it's just a question of whether people agree with it being legalised.....

[ChristmasNeeve]

I agree Ammi, you can't really think alcohol is fine on one hand and think cannabis is the devil on the other, it doesn't make any sense.

On a personal level, I don't know anyone who has a cannabis problem but I know plenty of people who's lives have been ruined by drink

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree Ammi, you can't really think alcohol is fine on one hand and think cannabis is the devil on the other, it doesn't make any sense.

On a personal level, I don't know anyone who has a cannabis problem but I know plenty of people who's lives have been ruined by drink

..I feel if there are any emotional or physcological issues, they are inherent in the user and could possibly be enhanced by whatever substance they choose to use...but that choice is theirs and can not be blamed on the cannabis....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree Ammi, you can't really think alcohol is fine on one hand and think cannabis is the devil on the other, it doesn't make any sense.

On a personal level, I don't know anyone who has a cannabis problem but I know plenty of people who's lives have been ruined by drink

Who is saying this?..
I agree with ammi, nobody is suggesting alcohol isn't dangerous.. This is a debate into whether cannabis should be legalised, they are two seperate issues.

I know people who's lives have been ruined by both.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Who is saying this?..
I agree with ammi, nobody is suggesting alcohol isn't dangerous.. This is a debate into whether cannabis should be legalised, they are two seperate issues.

I know people who's lives have been ruined by both.

No one in particular

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I feel if there are any emotional or physcological issues, they are inherent in the user and could possibly be enhanced by whatever substance they choose to use...but that choice is theirs and can not be blamed on the cannabis....

I say it can.
QUOTE:
Is there such a thing as ‘cannabis psychosis’?

Recent research in Denmark suggests that yes, there is. It is a short-lived psychotic disorder that seems to be brought on by cannabis use but which subsides fairly quickly once the individual has stopped using it. It's quite unusual though – in the whole of Denmark they found only around 100 new cases per year.

However, they also found that:

Three quarters had a different psychotic disorder diagnosed within the next year.
Nearly half still had a psychotic disorder 3 years later.

So, it also seems probable that nearly half of those diagnosed as having cannabis psychosis are actually showing the first signs of a more long-lasting psychotic disorder, such as schizophrenia. It may be this group of people who are particularly vulnerable to the effects of cannabis, and so should probably avoid it in the future.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I say it can.
QUOTE:
Is there such a thing as ‘cannabis psychosis’?

Recent research in Denmark suggests that yes, there is. It is a short-lived psychotic disorder that seems to be brought on by cannabis use but which subsides fairly quickly once the individual has stopped using it. It's quite unusual though – in the whole of Denmark they found only around 100 new cases per year.

However, they also found that:

Three quarters had a different psychotic disorder diagnosed within the next year.
Nearly half still had a psychotic disorder 3 years later.

So, it also seems probable that nearly half of those diagnosed as having cannabis psychosis are actually showing the first signs of a more long-lasting psychotic disorder, such as schizophrenia. It may be this group of people who are particularly vulnerable to the effects of cannabis, and so should probably avoid it in the future.

..yes thank you Kizzy..that stregthens the point that it's the user and not the substance...certain people with inherent mental issues should certainly refrain from using it...the onus is on them.....

...that saved me looking it up..well done...

Can't we just spark up some funky buddha and all get along?

[arista]

Junkies are Sloppy

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Theres no denying that some strains do benefit those with muscle/ joint problems.
Others are said to lead to the advancement of any underlying psychological conditions.

I said it a while ago ammi pay attention

I couldn't post links on lads 3Ds at the time.
I bet you know what question is coming next... how would you know you had an underlying mental health problem?
All the people happy at the declassification, how do they know they are not about to trigger a mental time bomb?