[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

Youre not offended by that , so please dont pretend to be
You did say its your spiritual home, I asked in that case why not go live there?I think I know why, because its a war zone.

The 2000 years is one estimate of how long its been since the jews suposedly resided there. Islam is 1400+ years old. thugh if were going to measure everything by time elapsed then why not hand stonehenge back to the druids? if you want us all to live by the same standards applied here, then as a norwegian immigrant I lay claim to your home on account of my great grandfather 40 times removed. it really is that ridiculous.

I also come from a long line of Blooms and Bloombergs so I have plenty of Jewish lineage and Im sorry I think the setting up of the Jewish state there 2000 years later, was one of the most gravest mistakes humanity has ever made. Perhaps it was well intentioned by some, or seen as some kind of solution to the persecution of the jews. But by others no doubt the Jewish state was merely a pawn to control the middle east and their oil. We talk about international law and UN resolutions, but clearly Israel and the US are beyond these laws, thus rendering them meaningless. One law for one and one law for others create complete hatred and bloodshed and everyone loses. Israel is not the spiritual place it should be, without peace it never will be.

Well we cant go backwards now. But really I just hope and pray Obama can somehow bang heads together urgently. There seems to have been little talk of peaceful compromise for a very long time. Maybe Bill Clinton could be brought into play. He tried his best but his last years were besieged by the lewinsky affair. He did a grand job in ireland though. Heres one thing we do agree on, we both want them to find some peaceful solution. Lets hope it happens in our lifetime

Don't presume to know my mind. I don't live in Israel because I am English and this is my home. That doesn't mean I don't have relatives in Israel, and that I don't visit Israel. I am offended by your comment. If I was an African and you asked me why I didn't go and live back in Africa, or if I was Indian and you asked me why I didn't go back and live in India, you wouldn't assume I would not be offended. You side-stepped the comment about Catholics living in Vatican City though, I notice, and that was a far better analogy than any you've come up with.

You claim to come from Jewish ancestry but you can't think why they set up a Jewish state in Israel. I find it almost impossible to believe that anyone - even without the claim of having Jews in the family - can't understand why Jews want to be in Israel so there's no point me even conversing with you about this.