Originally Posted by Livia

It is impossible to explain what faith is. It's like trying to explain what love is. I recall reading something that explained faith as being like a blind man flying a kite. He can't see the kite, but he can feel it pulling on the string.

I've definitely got a big kite, if you want to pull on my string.

You don't have to be blind, but I'll definitely be more attractive if you are.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I've definitely got a big kite, if you want to pull on my string.

You don't have to be blind, but I'll definitely be more attractive if you are.

Yeah, I've heard about you guys with big kites. Takes a lot more tugging to get it up.

Nice body-swerve on the issue though Jesus, you git.

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I've heard about you guys with big kites. Takes a lot more tugging to get it up.

Nice body-swerve on the issue though Jesus, you git.

Quick flights only, I'm afraid. Oh, and my kite will be wrapped up warm - not like those Jewish ones.

My avoidance of the issue was only in order to be polite, really. You're right, faith is completely personal, and none of us know what anyone else on the planet experiences, but the definition of faith, is to believe something for which there is no evidence.

For my geeky mind, that fits rather well.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Quick flights only, I'm afraid. Oh, and my kite will be wrapped up warm - not like those Jewish ones.

My avoidance of the issue was only in order to be polite, really. You're right, faith is completely personal, and none of us know what anyone else on the planet experiences, but the definition of faith, is to believe something for which there is no evidence.

For my geeky mind, that fits rather well.

..you don't have to have evidence for everything though JHC...not when it comes to spiritual and emotional things...for instance something can touch someone quite deeply and reduce them to tears..they may feel very emotional about some small little thing that no one else does..there's no evidence for that..it's not something that can be explained..it just is...and it's as real as anything else...

Originally Posted by Ammi

..you don't have to have evidence for everything though JHC...not when it comes to spiritual and emotional things...for instance something can touch someone quite deeply and reduce them to tears..they may feel very emotional about some small little thing that no one else does..there's no evidence for that..it's not something that can be explained..it just is...and it's as real as anything else...

Do you mean in terms of being moved by a piece of music, or a painting? Along those lines?

I agree we can't explain everything, but then that works 2 ways, and to leap from "I can't explain it, therefore it's something supernatural", is not something I'm capable of doing.

But if you want to, then that's great for you, and if that helps (and **** knows we all need help), then I would never begrudge you that. I'd only ever try to get you to see another way.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Do you mean in terms of being moved by a piece of music, or a painting? Along those lines?

I agree we can't explain everything, but then that works 2 ways, and to leap from "I can't explain it, therefore it's something supernatural", is not something I'm capable of doing.

But if you want to, then that's great for you, and if that helps (and **** knows we all need help), then I would never begrudge you that. I'd only ever try to get you to see another way.

.it could be anything..it could be virtually nothing..just something you personally find emotional..I could give examples but it wouldn't matter..people find different things emotional...the point is, it can't be explained...not everything can be explained...and I do see it you way..honestly, I do...but that's the thing..what you say makes total sense, so my sense tells me I should accept it..and yet I don't...unexplainable...

..I don't follow a religion either..and I don't believe in ghosts/supernatural spirits etc...

Originally Posted by Ammi

.it could be anything..it could be virtually nothing..just something you personally find emotional..I could give examples but it wouldn't matter..people find different things emotional...the point is, it can't be explained...not everything can be explained...and I do see it you way..honestly, I do...but that's the thing..what you say makes total sense, so my sense tells me I should accept it..and yet I don't...unexplainable...

..I don't follow a religion either..and I don't believe in ghosts/supernatural spirits etc...

You woman - me man.

Makes perfect sense.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Quick flights only, I'm afraid. Oh, and my kite will be wrapped up warm - not like those Jewish ones.

My avoidance of the issue was only in order to be polite, really. You're right, faith is completely personal, and none of us know what anyone else on the planet experiences, but the definition of faith, is to believe something for which there is no evidence.

For my geeky mind, that fits rather well.

Makes a note... *uncut*.

Agreeing to differ. I like that. And it's kind of new for you....................

Originally Posted by Livia

Makes a note... *uncut*.

Agreeing to differ. I like that. And it's kind of new for you....................

I reckon it adds at least a millimeter of girth. Just, y'know, throwing that out there.

What can I say? I'm a changed man.