[Iceman]

The pictures we have now are so stupid, whenever i see them they have no effect on me, whether that's from desensitization in general or just once you've seen them once you dont pay attention, cant see this having any effect to be honest.

[Sam:)]

The only picture thats off-putting is the throat cancer one, the rest of them arent shocking at all. I mean look at this one

Does this affect pouches of tobacco I wonder?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Sam:)

The only picture thats off-putting is the throat cancer one, the rest of them arent shocking at all. I mean look at this one

Does this affect pouches of tobacco I wonder?

No worries, I'm not an apple

[Marc]

Will this even help people stop smoking?.... probably not!

[Iceman]

Can honestly say it wont stop me....i dont care what my cigarettes come in...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Can honestly say it wont stop me....i dont care what my cigarettes come in...

It may not stop you
but it stops others.


That means good news

[Smithy]

it's gonna be so hard selling them cause i wont be able to tell them apart


(not that I live in ireland, but if it happens here soon then yah)

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by arista

It may not stop you
but it stops others.


That means good news

To be honest it really wont, when I was a kid I didnt care what the package was, I want the smokes inside not the cardboard it comes in...

[Withano]

I can't be bothered to debate about it, because I dont feel that strongly about it.. But I always thought they should just increase the legal age to buy cigarettes by a year every year. Problem solved, next generation aren't addicted.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Iceman

To be honest it really wont, when I was a kid I didnt care what the package was, I want the smokes inside not the cardboard it comes in...

But its worked Down Under


You are Wrong you Cocky Stinking Smoker

[GypsyGoth]

Some girls I knew started smoking pretty young, a good few years before it was legal for them to do so, so I feel there would still be loads getting addicted regardless of what age you're allowed to smoke.

And I guess the plain packaging might work on some, but I don't think kids get or desire smokes because of the packaging, I think they aspire to be like others they see smoke, from likes of celebs, to friends, to family members.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Some girls I knew started smoking pretty young, a good few years before it was legal for them to do so, so I feel there would still be loads getting addicted regardless of what age you're allowed to smoke.

And I guess the plain packaging might work on some, but I don't think kids get or desire smokes because of the packaging, I think they aspire to be like others they see smoke, from likes of celebs, to friends, to family members.

Yes and for Them
its worth it.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes and for Them
its worth it.

Good point, even if it saves just one person, it's worth it.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by arista

But its worked Down Under


You are Wrong you Cocky Stinking Smoker

Hows about stop insulting me, it's my opinion Arista no dont be telling me im wrong, great for Australia, big claps for them. Will make NO difference here, no go rest your hard drive, you ignorant whinging robot.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Hows about stop insulting me, it's my opinion Arista no dont be telling me im wrong, great for Australia, big claps for them. Will make NO difference here, no go rest your hard drive, you ignorant whinging robot.

I hate buying 2nd hand CD's covered in Smoke Stinking smells

[Iceman]

You're living in the past, Itunes baby!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Iceman

You're living in the past, Itunes baby!

I use them
but rare CD Remixes
are not online


I have every connection.


Even a DAT player

[Redway]

Originally Posted by arista

It may not stop you
but it stops others.


That means good news

It won't though. As has been said countless times, you'd have to be pretty thick to buy cigarettes because of what the packets look like. If scaring people into quitting through the use of vastly exaggerated pictures was an effective deterrent then it would've worked by now. They just need to concede that people aren't buying it and drop it already.

I smoke for a mixture of reasons but one of them certainly isn't because the packets look 'pretty', not that they're not already permeated with warnings across half the packet.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I can't be bothered to debate about it, because I dont feel that strongly about it.. But I always thought they should just increase the legal age to buy cigarettes by a year every year. Problem solved, next generation aren't addicted.

That would be a wonderfully effective and simple idea if people who were underage didn't do something that they're legally not allowed to do.

But we all know that'll never happen, for as long as there is age restrictions, people below that age restriction will find ways of doing it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

It won't though. As has been said countless times, you'd have to be pretty thick to buy cigarettes because of what the packets look like. If scaring people into quitting through the use of vastly exaggerated pictures was an effective deterrent then it would've worked by now. They just need to concede that people aren't buying it and drop it already.

I smoke for a mixture of reasons but one of them certainly isn't because the packets look 'pretty', not that they're not already permeated with warnings across half the packet.

I don't think the point is about "pretty packaging" but more about cutting back on all forms of advertising them, to the point they're not on display in a lot of shops.

Whether we like to think so or not, advertising something has an effect.

[MTVN]

Tbh even if did have a minor impact (I can't see it making any more than that) I wouldn't support it, the whole thing is just quite patronising and a further way to demonise smokers. I know this comparison is often made but nobody would advocate such stringent measures as have been placed on smoking on such things as alcohol or fatty foods, despite the deaths and problems they cause every year, the tobacco industry has just been disproportionately targeted because it is more convenient to do so. There is also the issue that it will make it easier for smugglers to counterfeit cigarettes, and it will cost a lot of jobs and money.

People have been bombarbed with health scares, cancer stories, and ever increasing prices for years, as well as having the areas where you can legally smoke severely restricted, enforcing plain packaging is just another pointless addition to the anti-smoking legislation

[Redway]

I see what you're saying but I'm still sceptical re. how effective hiding them behind shutters will be (moving away from the plain packaging bit for a minute). People who are underage tend to do something they're not supposed to do so wouldn't that further encourage them to smoke?

(For Marsh.)

[Redway]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Tbh even if did have a minor impact (I can't see it making any more than that) I wouldn't support it, the whole thing is just quite patronising and a further way to demonise smokers. I know this comparison is often made but nobody would advocate such stringent measures as have been placed on smoking on such things as alcohol or fatty foods, despite the deaths and problems they cause every year, the tobacco industry has just been disproportionately targeted because it is more convenient to do so. There is also the issue that it will make it easier for smugglers to counterfeit cigarettes, and it will cost a lot of jobs and money.

People have been bombarded with health scares, cancer stories, and ever increasing prices for years, as well as having the areas where you can legally smoke severely restricted, enforcing plain packaging is just another pointless addition to the anti-smoking legislation

Funnily enough I'm very much in favour of the smoking ban actually. It's fair enough if others want to smoke but it makes perfect sense that others would rather not be victims of second-hand smoke.

I agree with the rest of your post.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Redway

Funnily enough I'm very much in favour of the smoking ban actually. It's fair enough if others want to smoke but it makes perfect sense that others would rather not be victims of second-hand smoke.

I agree with the rest of your post.

I don't have any problem with restaurants, bars etc. banning smoking if they want to, but I do think that pubs should be allowed to have separate designated smoking rooms if they so choose, apart from anything else the smoking ban has been another nail in the coffin of the declining pub industry

[MTVN]

This is the sort of thing that brings out the old school tory side of me