[arista]

Over 50 arrrested
Why do they go and destroy so much.


"anti-fascist campaigners clash outside Parliament over Drummer Lee Rigby's brutal killing"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2Uz91PYFI






Life In The City

[Kizzy]

Where's the leftie linky?
There were bound to be clashes, it was inevitable... they were never going to sit down and eat cakes together were they?
Why is everyone so appalled by this.. I don't understand.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where's the leftie linky?
There were bound to be clashes, it was inevitable... they were never going to sit down and eat cakes together were they?
Why is everyone so appalled by this.. I don't understand.

Sorry my love


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ju...ascists-london

[MTVN]

These 'counter-protests' that the UAF carry out always seem a bit pointless to me, don't really have much impact but to lead to violence and arrests, when in reality very few people would care/notice the BNP doing their march otherwise

[Kizzy]

But they do have an impact, they make it clear that there are those in the UK who are against a fascist movement mobilising and spreading their hate.
As much as there are those who spread messages of prejudice and ignorance, there are those who are equally as passionate to spread the message of tolerance.

[GypsyGoth]

They should organise themselves better, maybe wear a kinda uniform and perhaps get a symbol of some sort to rally their anti-fascist followers.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But they do have an impact, they make it clear that there are those in the UK who are against a fascist movement mobilising and spreading their hate.
As much as there are those who spread messages of prejudice and ignorance, there are those who are equally as passionate to spread the message of tolerance.

I don't think doing so violently is the way to go about it though, it discredits them and disengages them from the rest of the public while allowing the BNP to paint themselves as victims. It would be more understandable if the BNP themselves had been acting in a violently provocative manner, but every one of the 58 people arrested were UAF

[Kizzy]

''Police said 31 people were arrested after members of Unite against Fascism refused to move to let the BNP march to the Cenotaph in Whitehall.''

This shows that the majority of them were arrested for obstruction not violence, I have never and would never condone violence but I can't help but feel it's slightly more acceptable when it conveys a strong positive message of strength against those seeking to oppress others....
The suffragettes have been in the news a lot recently, what would have happened if they had not acted in such a dramatic and passionate fashion?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

''Police said 31 people were arrested after members of Unite against Fascism refused to move to let the BNP march to the Cenotaph in Whitehall.''

This shows that the majority of them were arrested for obstruction not violence, I have never and would never condone violence but I can't help but feel it's slightly more acceptable when it conveys a strong positive message of strength against those seeking to oppress others....
The suffragettes have been in the news a lot recently, what would have happened if they had not acted in such a dramatic and passionate fashion?

Probably wouldn't have been much difference, women's contribution to the war effort was the main reason behind them being awarded the vote, could even be argued that the suffragettes violence harmed & discredited their cause more than helped it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Probably wouldn't have been much difference, women's contribution to the war effort was the main reason behind them being awarded the vote, could even be argued that the suffragettes violence harmed & discredited their cause more than helped it

In the early days I would say it helped to bring the subject to the fore...
I wouldn't dismiss the efforts of these women offhand as it discredits their memory and what they fought to achieve for women in the future.
I have heard this said before and I find this attitude very sad, there is truth of course that the war enabled women to prove they are competent in many fields.
However the sacrifices those who instigated the movement years before had their part to play too....I cannot accept that the tireless efforts, campaigns and protests are consigned to history as nothing more than a series of unfortunate events?

[King Gizzard]

Groups like these only further promote groups like the BNP, just gets them more publicity and gives the BNP an excuse for why their protests turn into chaos

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

In the early days I would say it helped to bring the subject to the fore...
I wouldn't dismiss the efforts of these women offhand as it discredits their memory and what they fought to achieve for women in the future.
I have heard this said before and I find this attitude very sad, there is truth of course that the war enabled women to prove they are competent in many fields.
However the sacrifices those who instigated the movement years before had their part to play too....I cannot accept that the tireless efforts, campaigns and protests are consigned to history as nothing more than a series of unfortunate events?

Well I don't feel any particular obligation to pay lip service to them because I don't approve of their actions no matter how justified their cause might be. Thousands of other women put in just as much tireless effort to female suffrage without having to bomb homes, vandalise property, attack politicians etc. Sure it helped raise awareness of the issue, but turned most senior politicians even more strongly against giving them the vote, and even a lot of other women suffrage campaigners came to view the suffragettes as damaging their cause and jeopardising their hard work

I don't think that is a very sad attitude at all, I find it more sad that the campaign for female votes is now often equated with the suffragettes violence and Emily Davison chucking herself under a horse, while the role of the moderates and the peaceful activists is often forgotten

[Kizzy]

The moderate protester won't be forgotten, it is just the more extreme the act the more it is used as a focal point I guess, or manipulated by the media or politicians for their own ends..

You can say that about any cause that people protesting about, some have invariably resorted to all kinds of tactics to show they are dedicated or to highlight the injustice they or others are experiencing, hunger strikes....sit ins... treetop protests, anything to make the public take notice and hopefully back them to bring about a hopefully peaceful resolution.

'fight for what's right' 'fight the good fight' 'fight for what you believe in' these are all slogans that were commonplace and advocated not too long ago... Now the only message seems to be ' put up and shut up'

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Groups like these only further promote groups like the BNP, just gets them more publicity and gives the BNP an excuse for why their protests turn into chaos

Yes the BNP bloke was Given a Right Kick in by the Anit Fascists




Down he goes.

[Novo]

fair play though he looks like he is taking them on all by himself there

[Nedusa]

Who are the Anti- Fascist league , league of what ?? And by turning up at every BNP demo creates publicity and paradoxically helps the cause of those BNP loonies.