[GiRTh]

But they have spent almost three seasons going down a certain path, building up the conflict between the The Starks and Lannisters then get rid of almost all of the Starks in one episode. My question is, what was the point of the last two seasons if Robb Cat and Robs wife end up doing nothing for the overall plotting. I admit that in literature you have to move the character s around inorder to line them up for the denouement but this doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Kaleesi is another example. Two and a half seasons of her and her baby dragons. Where is this leading? I'm gonna get bored if there are these mass slaughters every now and again for no reason.

[MTVN]

Suppose it's a bit weird really because most of the show looked like it was centred mainly around, and building up to, the Lannister-Stark conflict, I know there's all the other stories as well but they've all progressed/built up quite slowly so far. That's what's so good about it really though, that it isn't just following a predictable path, Robb didn't even get a heroic death in battle or anything he just got completely screwed over by someone he thought was an ally on what was supposed to be a day of celebration and optimism

[Niamh.]

The bit about Robbs wife never happened in the book so they got rid of 2 Starks really There are still plenty more Starks around. Personally I like how GRRM kind of makes you think that someone is a main character, like Ned from season 1 and then kills them, it seems shocking and a bad move at the time but the fallout from Neds death is what pushed the storyline ahead and actually made Robb a player in the first place. For me that's part of the fun, guessing which family will be victorious and also which member of each family.

There's only one more episode left this season anyway, you should atleast watch that one before you decide to stop

[Roy Mars III]

The show isn't about just any specific family, per say. It is about the 'game of thrones' people trying to get control of Westroes.

People mistakenly think the Starks are somehow the heroes or protagonists of the story, but they're really not. It's a story about the the various families all fighting each other for power. There are other elements that run throughout the series, but that is the main plot point esp. in the beginning

[GiRTh]

The first six episodes of seasons one were painfully slow episodes building up the characterisation of the Stark and Lannisters and the conflict between the two families. Yes, there are other plotlines but the emphasis was on the one particular conflict. It was quite meticulous and painstaking and now we see it was a bit pointless. Thats my point. I feel like GRRM is wasting people time. I feel like he does things simply to shock the audience yet he has painfully slow plotlines that could be developed but are still slow - Kaleesi. I think the show is a bit imbalanced. I think its one of the reasons why I've struggled with it TBH. There are very important things that are only mentioned and never developed. I think its good that the producers assume a bit of knowledge in the viewers but I think there needs to be a more equal spread of air time for each plotline. ATM it seems irrelevant plotlines are dominating the episodes.

[MTVN]

I blame Locke having Robb in his sig and avatar the last two years for making everyone think he must be the great hero of the show, and not just someone who achieves nothing, makes loads of mistakes, and then walks himself and his whole family into a pathetic death at the hands of some creepy old man

[Niamh.]

Matt

[Smithy]

*khalessi

[Niamh.]

Fantastic contribution Smithy

[Roy Mars III]

The Stark and Lanniester conflict is basically over now with the Lannisters winning easily (Robb and Cat's death was the final act I guess).

I agree with Dany's storyline moving slowly, and I think that's one of the main problems with GRRM's series. He moves the Dany storylines along too fast and has to stall now while the other storylines catch up to her's.

The story isn't suppose to be about any certain family or person though. The Starks were just what GRRM used to introduce people into the politics and aspects of the world

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I blame Locke having Robb in his sig and avatar the last two years for making everyone think he must be the great hero of the show, and not just someone who achieves nothing, makes loads of mistakes, and then walks himself and his whole family into a pathetic death at the hands of some creepy old man

like father like son

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Is it worth continuing with this show? I'm disillusioned with this weeks episode. I was hardly getting it to begin with but now I'm close to ditching it. The show is awesome but the plotting seems clunky to say the least eg getting rid of so many of the Starks in one fail swoop. I've not read the books so please forgive my ignorance but I don't get why certain characters spend entire seasons doing nothing eg on the run, but from who exactly? but when they're culling characters so many of the more visible characters go all at the same time. Is this all leading to something ?

As someone who, at the time, only really liked the Starks when I read it, and felt like giving up on the books, yes, continue.

Also, the Lannister-Stark conflict had a massive point. Robb conquered the Westerlands (where the Lannisters are from) and won 100% of his battles, pretty much showing that the Lannisters aren't untouchable. Not everybody is scared of them anymore like they were at the beginning. You've still got Arya, Sansa, Stannis, the Tyrells, and Daenerys that will be rivals to the Lannisters.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

The Stark and Lanniester conflict is basically over now with the Lannisters winning easily (Robb and Cat's death was the final act I guess).

I agree with Dany's storyline moving slowly, and I think that's one of the main problems with GRRM's series. He moves the Dany storylines along too fast and has to stall now while the other storylines catch up to her's.

The story isn't suppose to be about any certain family or person though. The Starks were just what GRRM used to introduce people into the politics and aspects of the world

I see. Thanks

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Smithy

*khalessi

Sorry.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Locke.

As someone who, at the time, only really liked the Starks when I read it, and felt like giving up on the books, yes, continue.

Also, the Lannister-Stark conflict had a massive point. Robb conquered the Westerlands (where the Lannisters are from) and won 100% of his battles, pretty much showing that the Lannisters aren't untouchable. Not everybody is scared of them anymore like they were at the beginning. You've still got Arya, Sansa, Stannis, the Tyrells, and Daenerys that will be rivals to the Lannisters.

Thanks for that. I will continue but I just wanted to show my frustration at the sudden - IMO unnecessary - slaughter in this weeks ep.

[Locke.]

It was very unnecessary. You can't just go around killing off the best character like that

[Roy Mars III]

Robb wasn't a main character though. Cat was but Robb did not even have a POV character.

[Locke.]

None of the King's are POV characters though, but they are still pretty much the most important characters

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Locke.

None of the King's are POV characters though, but they are still pretty much the most important characters

Maybe not, maybe the fact that only the Queen is a POV character is giving us a clue to who will be victorious

[Roy Mars III]

true, and the best character of the series Littlefinger also sadly does not have a POV chapter

[Roy Mars III]

[Niamh.]

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Maybe not, maybe the fact that only the Queen is a POV character is giving us a clue to who will be victorious

Very true. Sansa will make an excellent Queen.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Very true. Sansa will make an excellent Queen.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha. No.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Maybe not, maybe the fact that only the Queen is a POV character is giving us a clue to who will be victorious

you think Cersei will win?