[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well he hasn't actually cheated on her but ok

With respect Niamh, I dont agree with this at all.

If Gavin had been acting like Daley is with another woman, I would definitely consider it cheating. There is more to cheating than sleeping with someone IMO.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

With respect Niamh, I dont agree with this at all.

If Gavin had been acting like Daley is with another woman, I would definitely consider it cheating. There is more to cheating than sleeping with someone IMO.

He's crossing a line for sure and I wouldn't be happy about it either if It was my Gav in there but I don't think it's cheating...................yet

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He's crossing a line for sure and I wouldn't be happy about it either if It was my Gav in there but I don't think it's cheating...................yet

Do you both have partners called Gav? What else do you two have in common?

Like I said this is far too complicated for anyone to act like they can be judge and jury. Katy tears on BOTS last night took this to a new level. She seems genuinely hurt so the who's at fault argument is somewhat of a moot one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Do you both have partners called Gav? What else do you two have in common?

Like I said this is far too complicated for anyone to act like they can be judge and jury. Katy tears on BOTS last night took this to a new level. She seems genuinely hurt so the who's at fault argument is somewhat of a moot one.

Yeah we do

Well, it should be primarily Daley at fault as he's the one who owed her something and is in a relationship with her, Hazel never even met her (again not excusing her behaviour just pointing that out) but you would think poor Daley is just an innocent who's being corrupted by the evil woman. Like for example If I were in there and some guy was all over me like that, he'd know when to back off because I would make sure he did. If Daley really wanted Hazel to back off, he could properly let her know, at the moment it's very no means yes....... Telling someone you don't want them to hug you because they're making you aroused is not really telling them to back off, is it?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah we do

Well, it should be primarily Daley at fault as he's the one who owed her something and is in a relationship with her, Hazel never even met her (again not excusing her behaviour just pointing that out) but you would think poor Daley is just an innocent who's being corrupted by the evil woman. Like for example If I were in there and some guy was all over me like that, he'd know when to back off because I would make sure he did. If Daley really wanted Hazel to back off, he could properly let her know, at the moment it's very no means yes....... Telling someone you don't want them to hug you because they're making you aroused is not really telling them to back off, is it?

So if Simon Baker was in the house with you asking for hugs you'd be telling him to back off eh?

I agree that Daley needs to do more but I just cant like what Hazel is doing. Daley has said no on a number of occasions and whether its a man or woman no should mean no; in my mind there is no such thing no means yes.

Also, knowing that hugging someone is making them aroused but still insisting and not taking no for an answer is quite close to harassment. Hazel can do without the occasional hug but she still insists knowing what she's doing to the man. Now its getting more complicated cuz some will argue that she can do what she wants etc and they are right. I'm a believer in behaviour modification. If something is causing a problem then you have to stop doing it. Hazel knows what she's doing Daley could be a bit more assertive and he has a gf; all in all its a complicated situation that turning into compelling viewing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So if Simon Baker was in the house with you asking for hugs you'd be telling him to back off eh?

I agree that Daley needs to do more but I just cant like what Hazel is doing. Daley has said no on a number of occasions and whether its a man or woman no should mean no; in my mind there is no such thing no means yes.

Also, knowing that hugging someone is making them aroused but still insisting and not taking no for an answer is quite close to harassment. Hazel can do without the occasional hug but she still insists knowing what she's doing to the man. Now its getting more complicated cuz some will argue that she can do what she wants etc and they are right. I'm a believer in behaviour modification. If something is causing a problem then you have to stop doing it. Hazel knows what she's doing Daley could be a bit more assertive and he has a gf; all in all its a complicated situation that turning into compelling viewing.

Listen, Simon Baker is great and all that but he's no Gav

I'm not saying I like what hazel is doing, I'm saying that she is much less at fault than Daley. Him telling Hazel that she's making him aroused so stop hugging him, is basically him telling her how attractive he finds her, that is not the way to tell someone you don't want their attention.........

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Listen, Simon Baker is great and all that but he's no Gav

I'm not saying I like what hazel is doing, I'm saying that she is much less at fault than Daley. Him telling Hazel that she's making him aroused so stop hugging him, is basically him telling her how attractive he finds her, that is not the way to tell someone you don't want their attention.........

But no means no. I agree he's a walking penis but he has said no and she needs to respect that.

She's a pr*ck tease - I hate that expression but if it was ever apt for one person its her. She's worse the Noirin or Danica. She instigates it, continues it, wont take no for an answer; under different circumstances we'd be calling her a predator. Other girls like Norin and Danica seem incredibly subtle compared to Hazel. He's as much to blame but Hazel is a savvy girl surely she knew how this would be played out and who'd come out of it looking bad.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah we do

Well, it should be primarily Daley at fault as he's the one who owed her something and is in a relationship with her, Hazel never even met her (again not excusing her behaviour just pointing that out) but you would think poor Daley is just an innocent who's being corrupted by the evil woman. Like for example If I were in there and some guy was all over me like that, he'd know when to back off because I would make sure he did. If Daley really wanted Hazel to back off, he could properly let her know, at the moment it's very no means yes....... Telling someone you don't want them to hug you because they're making you aroused is not really telling them to back off, is it?

Exactly. If that was my partner behaving like that I would be over the wall with a good strong scalpel. That would sort out his erection problems

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He's crossing a line for sure and I wouldn't be happy about it either if It was my Gav in there but I don't think it's cheating...................yet

if your man is getting an erection over another women then its sexual and that is very close to cheating without full sex