[Niamh.]

Ok If we're going to compare a like for like situation, how about Helen & Paul V's Daley and Hazel. In that situation Paul was the Hazel, breaking the man code etc (now admittedly they're relationship seemed more genuine and didn't end violently lol) but anyway, everyone loved them two, no one got Big G on the show to shame Helen or Paul and no one branded Paul a Home wrecker either. Why is it the other man is never branded a home wrecker and never gets the pure hatred the other woman does? Also, if anything Paul was worse because Helen never denied she had a b/f on the outside or told Paul they were on a break or whatever

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[Niamh.]

Indeed Jesus, indeed

[alex_front2]

Paul was a harmless twonk who didn't mean to homewreck. Hazel practically thrust her vagina on Daley and refused to put it away until he caved in.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Paul was a harmless twonk who didn't mean to homewreck. Hazel practically thrust her vagina on Daley and refused to put it away until he caved in.

OMG lol, he didn't mean to be a home wrecker, therefore it's ok? what is this logic lol?

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ok If we're going to compare a like for like situation, how about Helen & Paul V's Daley and Hazel. In that situation Paul was the Hazel, breaking the man code etc (now admittedly they're relationship seemed more genuine and didn't end violently lol) but anyway, everyone loved them two, no one got Big G on the show to shame Helen or Paul and no one branded Paul a Home wrecker either. Why is it the other man is never branded a home wrecker and never gets the pure hatred the other woman does? Also, if anything Paul was worse because Helen never denied she had a b/f on the outside or told Paul they were on a break or whatever

Because we live in a sexist environment.Men can (by and large) do what they want, women are held to a much much higher and stricter standard.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Paul was a harmless twonk who didn't mean to homewreck. Hazel practically thrust her vagina on Daley and refused to put it away until he caved in.

That smacks of the Poor man excuse people made for daley tbh, so it works both ways then, if you're a man with a g/f or if you're the home wreckin' man, it's never your fault?

[Roy Mars III]

Helen and Paul were twats

[Kizzy]

Oop's careful niamh, you don't want to cause pre frontal lobes across the UK to explode as they battle to comprehend this do you?.....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Helen and Paul were twats

Equal rights Roy, good man

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Paul was a harmless twonk who didn't mean to homewreck. Hazel practically thrust her vagina on Daley and refused to put it away until he caved in.

Funny how he managed to find the strength to over-power, threaten,bully and intimidate her when he felt like it though......

I do agree with you though Niamh, the stick Hazel has received has been completely ott. Daley is in the relationship and the responsibility was all his. Hazel has no responsibility to anyone but herself in that instance.

People fancy each others partners all the time. Anyone on here with a long term partner I can practically guarantee someone they work with will fancy them, and more than likely be attracted to someone else as well.

We're humans not robots. The choices we make to block out other advances are ours and ours alone, it is never up to the person who fancies your partner to back off.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oop's careful niamh, you don't want to cause pre frontal lobes across the UK to explode as they battle to comprehend this do you?.....

[Josy]

How do you know people never gave Paul lots of **** for his relationship with Helen or branded him a home wrecker (genuinely wondering)?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I do agree with you though Niamh, the stick Hazel has received has been completely ott. Daley is in the relationship and the responsibility was all his. Hazel has no responsibility to anyone but herself in that instance.

People fancy each others partners all the time. Anyone on here with a long term partner I can practically guarantee someone they work with will fancy them, and more than likely be attracted to someone else as well.

We're humans not robots. The choices we make to block out other advances are ours and ours alone, it is never up to the person who fancies your partner to back off.

Exactly and if you're in a relationship where you don't think that responsibility lies firmly on your partner then you need to reevaluate your relationship imo

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

How do you know people never gave Paul lots of **** for his relationship with Helen or branded him a home wrecker (genuinely wondering)?

Because I watched the show and read about it?

[alex_front2]

Women and men are different and women have to accept this. If women want to be seen like men then I suggest they book themselves the same surgery as Chastity Bono.

[Kizzy]

I don't remember any negative connotations being attached to Helen and Pauls blossoming relationship in the house either...

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Women and men are different and women have to accept this. If women want to be seen like men then I suggest they book themselves the same surgery as Chastity Bono.

Ignoring the gender realignment quip, you probably need to expand your point. Are you agreeing that there are double standards, or just saying that men and women deserve to be treated differently?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Women and men are different and women have to accept this. If women want to be seen like men then I suggest they book themselves the same surgery as Chastity Bono.

How sexist.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Women and men are different and women have to accept this. If women want to be seen like men then I suggest they book themselves the same surgery as Chastity Bono.

really?... I hadn't noticed

[Roy Mars III]

I think though one of the reasons Hazel got such a negative reaction was because she was already disliked to begin with even before the Daley stuff. The reason that Helen and Paul did not get the negative reaction was because they were likable and they had fans. Hazel never did. She was already disliked so people just piled this on as another reason to dislike. If the same situation would have happen and Hazel was liked and had fans the reaction would be much different

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I think though one of the reasons Hazel got such a negative reaction was because she was already disliked to begin with even before the Daley stuff. The reason that Helen and Paul did not get the negative reaction was because they were likable and they had fans. Hazel never did. She was already disliked so people just piled this on as another reason to dislike. If the same situation would have happen and Hazel was liked and had fans the reaction would be much different

That's a fair point, i still think that women get a rougher deal in these situations then the men do though

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because I watched the show and read about it?

Yeah so did I but at that point there wasn't really as much discussions on forums and stuff like this one that's why I was genuinely wondering, maybe he did get grief from people but we were just unaware?

I could be wrong here since it was so long ago but wasn't it Helen that started the whole thing off? I just don't think the two relationships can be compared anyway IMO they fell for each other, it was genuine and they went on to have a healthy relationship outside the house that lasted years, I never saw it the same way with Daley and Hazel, it just all looked like sexual attraction/frustration between those two especially the way she kept trying to arouse him..

[Vicky.]

Helen and Paul is hardly like for like with Daley and Hazel Niamh

Yes, Helen and Daley both had partners, but the behaviors of the pairs were miles apart

I definitely dont blame Hazel for it all (infact I blame her for nothing now, as it seems she thought he was single) but to compare the pretty much softcore porn scenes that we saw with H&D to how Helen and Paul behaved is just ridiculous