[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by Jimrod

Ok, example - Those (Muslim) protesters saying "Western soldiers burn in hell" and burning poppies on Remembrance Day (Ł50 fine) and recently some charity runners wearing Mankini's and having stones thrown at them because they were running through a "Muslim area" dressed "inappropriately". No punishment. I didn't realise we had areas outside of religious buildings where you had to behave differently in England for religious reasons. If we reversed the roles to being white people saying and doing the same things to brown people they would have been locked up for Racial Hatred crimes instantly. This is where resentment begins, in trying to be PC our Police/courts start to cause resentment, hence the swing in voters turning to Nationalistic parties.

If they were fined, they were punished, no? It's not like the same kind of thing doesn't get hurled at muslims, and not always being handled seriously. I definitely get how saying something like that and burning poppies is offensive, but it depends on backstory also. If it's a reaction to something British military have done in their country of origin, I suspect the story have two subjective sides. As for the charity runners, were the stone throwing offenders not punished because no one did anything, or because lack of evidence or what? That part needs some clarification, methinks.

Overall, I blame the fear mongering media more than anything else, for this shift in voting which is a trend pretty much all over Europe right now.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

If they were fined, they were punished, no? It's not like the same kind of thing doesn't get hurled at muslims, and not always being handled seriously. I definitely get how saying something like that and burning poppies is offensive, but it depends on backstory also. If it's a reaction to something British military have done in their country of origin, I suspect the story have two subjective sides. As for the charity runners, were the stone throwing offenders not punished because no one did anything, or because lack of evidence or what? That part needs some clarification, methinks.

Overall, I blame the fear mongering media more than anything else, for this shift in voting which is a trend pretty much all over Europe right now.

If you went to Pakistan and started burning the Quran in the street,What d'you think would happen to you?I bet it would be more than a Ł50 fine.When our authorities are soft on this kind of thing,People see the double standards and rebel against it,Hence UKIP doing well for themselves.Jimrod is right.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

If you went to Pakistan and started burning the Quran in the street,What d'you think would happen to you?I bet it would be more than a Ł50 fine.When our authorities are soft on this kind of thing,People see the double standards and rebel against it,Hence UKIP doing well for themselves.Jimrod is right.

You can argue for harder punishment for something like that w/o going the route of voting for UKIP, can you not?

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

You can argue for harder punishment for something like that w/o going the route of voting for UKIP, can you not?

Not to mention: it's a valid call of double standard if there is evidence that the police and judiciary in this country treat an offence carried by one group more leniently than if it were committed by another group. It's not a double standard when our police treat us (black white or stripey) differently for committing an offence in this country, than the police of an anther country would treat us (black white or stripey) for committing the same offence in that country.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Not to mention: it's a valid call of double standard if there is evidence that the police and judiciary in this country treat an offence carried by one group more leniently than if it were committed by another group. It's not a double standard when our police treat us (black white or stripey) differently for committing an offence in this country, than the police of an anther country would treat us (black white or stripey) for committing the same offence in that country.

Very true.

[LANDROVER]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

Very true.

Not so.Reminds me of a story from the bible.
A zebra died and at the pearly gates was asked by St. Peter if there was anything bothering him before he passed over.
Yes said the zebra I need to know whether I am white with black stripes or am I black with white stripes?
Only god can answer that replied St. Peter, youll have to ask him.
Later when the zebra returned St. Peter asked him if god had answered his question. Well said the zebra im still confused, he just looked at me and said. You are what are.
Then you have your answer said St. Peter, you are white with black stripes.
How do you come to that conclusion asked the zebra.

Well replied St. Peter if you were black with white stripes god would have said, youz iz wat you iz.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Not to mention: it's a valid call of double standard if there is evidence that the police and judiciary in this country treat an offence carried by one group more leniently than if it were committed by another group. It's not a double standard when our police treat us (black white or stripey) differently for committing an offence in this country, than the police of an anther country would treat us (black white or stripey) for committing the same offence in that country.

And turn a blind eye when muslims abuse our soldiers after they have got back from saving THIER families

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

And turn a blind eye when muslims abuse our soldiers after they have got back from saving THIER families

Excellent point, and really well made. When are those Muslims going to learn that we only bomb the ****** out of their homelands, and murder hundreds of thousand of civilians, in order to save them and their families?

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Excellent point, and really well made. When are those Muslims going to learn that we only bomb the ****** out of their homelands, and murder hundreds of thousand of civilians, in order to save them and their families?

They are such an ungrateful bunch, aren't they?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Excellent point, and really well made. When are those Muslims going to learn that we only bomb the ****** out of their homelands, and murder hundreds of thousand of civilians, in order to save them and their families?

hundreds of thousands...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Excellent point, and really well made. When are those Muslims going to learn that we only bomb the ****** out of their homelands, and murder hundreds of thousand of civilians, in order to save them and their families?

I know... and there never was a reason for it, them being such a peace-loving people. I mean, it's not like the people we've been at war with carry out any acts of terrorism, or indoctrinate and abuse their own people, or train terrorists from all over the world.

Hundreds of thousands of civilians? A figure plucked out of the air, I think.

And back on topic... Ron is a fool. In one scene there he is telling us that he still works as a football pundit "with the Middle East lads..." and minutes later he's making a completely inappropriate comment regarding headscarves and suicide bombers. I imagine the "Middle East lads" will be examining Ron's contract even as I type. There's no fool like and old fool. He's learned absolutely nothing from his past mistakes and the words continue to pour freely from his lips without the clutch of tact.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

You can argue for harder punishment for something like that w/o going the route of voting for UKIP, can you not?

You are right,You can,But people don't.That's why UKIP are getting more votes.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

You are right,You can,But people don't.That's why UKIP are getting more votes.

It's still a cop out though, in many cases. But I agree with other parties being bad at handle (and discussing) sensitive issues like immigration, racial/religious tensions etc and thus handing over an unnecessary large portion of votes to UKIP.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

You are right,You can,But people don't.That's why UKIP are getting more votes.

Very true