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chuff me dizzy · 26-08-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimrod

Look at UKIP's increased popularity in recent years, is it because people are genuinely getting more xenophobic or more likely because we are constantly being told we can't say this and that, everything is a race issue yet when the roles are reversed (ie Abu Hamza situation) our government goes soft. If you tell people constantly that they can't say or do something yet allow others to do it then you get resentment and inevitably cause the very behaviour shift you're trying to prevent.

(I vote Conservative btw

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Wait until our Grandchildren are trying to get a home, dentist, job

DanaC · 26-08-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Wait until our Grandchildren are trying to get a home, dentist, job

Meaning?

Kizzy · 26-08-2013, 01:26 PM

Come on dana you're not daft what do you think it means?

26-08-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Meaning?

At a guess, I would say she meant whatever you wanted it to mean.

lime · 26-08-2013, 01:31 PM

I can not believe people are defending ron by saying that it was totally acceptable in his era.I am a 41yr old Afrikaner who grew up during apartheid in SA where even my time in school was based on teaching me of how superior I was to "Kaffers".I doubt very much if I was to come on here making racist comments it would be acceptable because of the era I grew up in.

CaudleHalbard · 26-08-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lime

I can not believe people are defending ron by saying that it was totally acceptable in his era.I am a 41yr old Afrikaner who grew up during apartheid in SA where even my time in school was based on teaching me of how superior I was to "Kaffers".I doubt very much if I was to come on here making racist comments it would be acceptable because of the era I grew up in.

An excellent point, if I may say so.

DanaC · 26-08-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Come on dana you're not daft what do you think it means?

I think I know what it means. I hope I'm wrong though.

Ellen · 26-08-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lime

I can not believe people are defending ron by saying that it was totally acceptable in his era.I am a 41yr old Afrikaner who grew up during apartheid in SA where even my time in school was based on teaching me of how superior I was to "Kaffers".I doubt very much if I was to come on here making racist comments it would be acceptable because of the era I grew up in.

It was not acceptable 10 years ago that is why he was sacked. People are defending him because it was 10 years ago & some people did say things like that then.

MachoPoodle · 26-08-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimrod

Look at UKIP's increased popularity in recent years, is it because people are genuinely getting more xenophobic or more likely because we are constantly being told we can't say this and that, everything is a race issue yet when the roles are reversed (ie Abu Hamza situation) our government goes soft. If you tell people constantly that they can't say or do something yet allow others to do it then you get resentment and inevitably cause the very behaviour shift you're trying to prevent.

(I vote Conservative btw

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Exactly who is really stopping you from saying non-PC things, I'd truly like to know? Not being allowed to say what you want is NOT the same thing as speaking your mind and others in turn saying they don't think what you are saying is correct/ok/whatever.

Jimrod · 26-08-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

Exactly who is really stopping you from saying non-PC things, I'd truly like to know? Not being allowed to say what you want is NOT the same thing as speaking your mind and others in turn saying they don't think what you are saying is correct/ok/whatever.

Ok, example - Those (Muslim) protesters saying "Western soldiers burn in hell" and burning poppies on Remembrance Day (£50 fine) and recently some charity runners wearing Mankini's and having stones thrown at them because they were running through a "Muslim area" dressed "inappropriately". No punishment. I didn't realise we had areas outside of religious buildings where you had to behave differently in England for religious reasons. If we reversed the roles to being white people saying and doing the same things to brown people they would have been locked up for Racial Hatred crimes instantly. This is where resentment begins, in trying to be PC our Police/courts start to cause resentment, hence the swing in voters turning to Nationalistic parties.

DanaC · 26-08-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimrod

Ok, example - Those (Muslim) protesters saying "Western soldiers burn in hell" and burning poppies on Remembrance Day (£50 fine) and recently some charity runners wearing Mankini's and having stones thrown at them because they were running through a "Muslim area" dressed "inappropriately". No punishment. I didn't realise we had areas outside of religious buildings where you had to behave differently in England for religious reasons. If we reversed the roles to being white people saying and doing the same things to brown people they would have been locked up for Racial Hatred crimes instantly. This is where resentment begins, in trying to be PC our Police/courts start to cause resentment, hence the swing in voters turning to Nationalistic parties.

Well...the people burning poppies on Remembrance day were fined. And you seem to be advocating some kind of ban on those muslim protestors saying western soldiers should burn in Hell.

If they were throwing stones at people then they should have been arrested. But then again, I have known some pretty nasty stuff go unchecked by police when the situation was pretty much in reverse of that.

MachoPoodle · 26-08-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimrod

Ok, example - Those (Muslim) protesters saying "Western soldiers burn in hell" and burning poppies on Remembrance Day (£50 fine) and recently some charity runners wearing Mankini's and having stones thrown at them because they were running through a "Muslim area" dressed "inappropriately". No punishment. I didn't realise we had areas outside of religious buildings where you had to behave differently in England for religious reasons. If we reversed the roles to being white people saying and doing the same things to brown people they would have been locked up for Racial Hatred crimes instantly. This is where resentment begins, in trying to be PC our Police/courts start to cause resentment, hence the swing in voters turning to Nationalistic parties.

If they were fined, they were punished, no? It's not like the same kind of thing doesn't get hurled at muslims, and not always being handled seriously. I definitely get how saying something like that and burning poppies is offensive, but it depends on backstory also. If it's a reaction to something British military have done in their country of origin, I suspect the story have two subjective sides. As for the charity runners, were the stone throwing offenders not punished because no one did anything, or because lack of evidence or what? That part needs some clarification, methinks.

Overall, I blame the fear mongering media more than anything else, for this shift in voting which is a trend pretty much all over Europe right now.

Kizzy · 26-08-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I think I know what it means. I hope I'm wrong though.

I took it to mean at present we don't have the infrastructure to support immigration, is there an issue with that?

Cherie · 26-08-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Wait until our Grandchildren are trying to get a home, dentist, job

oh God. Leaves the thread.

26-08-2013, 02:22 PM

Kizzy · 26-08-2013, 02:26 PM

Is something funny, maybe you'd like to share it with the group?

DanaC · 26-08-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.

*chuckles*

Northern Monkey · 26-08-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

If they were fined, they were punished, no? It's not like the same kind of thing doesn't get hurled at muslims, and not always being handled seriously. I definitely get how saying something like that and burning poppies is offensive, but it depends on backstory also. If it's a reaction to something British military have done in their country of origin, I suspect the story have two subjective sides. As for the charity runners, were the stone throwing offenders not punished because no one did anything, or because lack of evidence or what? That part needs some clarification, methinks.

Overall, I blame the fear mongering media more than anything else, for this shift in voting which is a trend pretty much all over Europe right now.

If you went to Pakistan and started burning the Quran in the street,What d'you think would happen to you?I bet it would be more than a £50 fine.When our authorities are soft on this kind of thing,People see the double standards and rebel against it,Hence UKIP doing well for themselves.Jimrod is right.