[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

"invaded" is a bit harsh, i think the preferred term is "liberated".

quit trolling in very bad taste

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

quit trolling in very bad taste

don't tell me what to do.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The only one I know is Mohamed Atta and that's because we learnt about his suicide note recently

Yes he had been in Florida
learning how to Fly - But not take off or land.
Just fly straight etc

[Ammi]

..I think that knowing their names gives them a kind of martyrdom, which they should never have for what they did and it doesn't change anything, so I don't feel the need to know a name...

[Josy]

I'm sure there has been a few documentaries about them on the discovery channel, giving details about one (or more I can't remember) took flying lessons before the attack there was more obviously but it was a while back and I just can't remember.

It's weird - people should actually pay them some attention, as it's their radicalisation that has the most to say. What makes well educated, and westernised Muslims do this? How Can they have been enjoying American strip clubs one day, then flying planes into buildings the next? Understanding that psychology is crucial.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

It's weird - people should actually pay them some attention, as it's their radicalisation that has the most to say. What makes well educated, and westernised Muslims do this? How Can they have been enjoying American strip clubs one day, then flying planes into buildings the next? Understanding that psychology is crucial.

..suicide bombings are the extreme of 'sheep behaviour' though so I'm not sure there is any psychology to try to understand because surely, they're 'mindless'....

Originally Posted by Ammi

..suicide bombings are the extreme of 'sheep behaviour' though so I'm not sure there is any psychology to try to understand because surely, they're 'mindless'....

That does these people a real disservice. There is no braver thing on earth than giving your life for a cause like that, even if you believe in an afterlife.

It's a really complicated issue, and is separate from the desperation of suicide bombers.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Probably because they don't want to focus on it/give the cause airtime, and would rather concentrate on the lives that are lost/giving tributes to them I guess.

and yeah, the names are generally not memorable

Shame that doesnt happen with other disasters tbh. Normally the rags cant wait to rip apart the people who did it, repeatedly. And often before they are even found guilty of doing it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think that knowing their names gives them a kind of martyrdom, which they should never have for what they did and it doesn't change anything, so I don't feel the need to know a name...

ATTA
was team Leader
Egyptian


He is the worst.




On the Evil day as went through Portland

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

That does these people a real disservice. There is no braver thing on earth than giving your life for a cause like that, even if you believe in an afterlife.

It's a really complicated issue, and is separate from the desperation of suicide bombers.

..yeah, that is one way of looking at it, I can see that and I’m sure that psychologists have and will continue to do so...and certainly they must have been ‘fearless’ to do what they did or at least be able to overcome what fears they may have had, which ‘brave’ people obviously do...but to me, being brave would be a ‘hero’ and maybe they are heroes to their cause, but that cause extinguished the lives of many people and devastated even more lives..not people who were enemies in a war/conflict situation, a survival situation but lives of people who were just living their day in the way they always did and their families who loved them, expected them to come home that evening...children that will never grow to know a parent..that for me is ‘understanding’ that is deserved... if that does them a disservice, then what understanding of psychology to the families of those people and what they were about to do to them did they show..their empathy/compassion/their humanity was lost and buried underneath their cause and for me, with that, their rights to be understood as well....to have any bravery at all, would have been to have looked into the eyes of the families of their victims...

[the truth]

10 times as many people are killed by nursing neglect in this country per annum as were killed on 911....maybe we need some perspective and take a look at tragedies closer to home

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, that is one way of looking at it, I can see that and I’m sure that psychologists have and will continue to do so...and certainly they must have been ‘fearless’ to do what they did or at least be able to overcome what fears they may have had, which ‘brave’ people obviously do...but to me, being brave would be a ‘hero’ and maybe they are heroes to their cause, but that cause extinguished the lives of many people and devastated even more lives..not people who were enemies in a war/conflict situation, a survival situation but lives of people who were just living their day in the way they always did and their families who loved them, expected them to come home that evening...children that will never grow to know a parent..that for me is ‘understanding’ that is deserved... if that does them a disservice, then what understanding of psychology to the families of those people and what they were about to do to them did they show..their empathy/compassion/their humanity was lost and buried underneath their cause and for me, with that, their rights to be understood as well....to have any bravery at all, would have been to have looked into the eyes of the families of their victims...

War crimes happen regardless. We unnecessarily bombed the ****** out of Germany at the end of WWII, wiping out tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Germans out of spite, and those hijackers believed they were at war.

I'm not sticking up for them, because it was a terrible act, but trying to understand it should be our first course of action, rather than George Bush blanketing out - "they hate us for our freedoms".

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

War crimes happen regardless. We unnecessarily bombed the ****** out of Germany at the end of WWII, wiping out tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Germans out of spite, and those hijackers believed they were at war.

I'm not sticking up for them, because it was a terrible act, but trying to understand it should be our first course of action, rather than George Bush blanketing out - "they hate us for our freedoms".

I'm not sure using WW2 as an analogy is the way to go on this one. It's quite a different thing.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Zee

That despite it being such a catastrophic, life changing event which truly shocked the world... the media has never really focused on the people who hijacked the planes? I have no idea what those peoples' names are. Isn't that bizarre? Every year there is anniversary footage, anniversary documentaries etc... but the names of the people who committed such a heinous crime haven't been made forever infamous? Just struck me as odd, always has done.

That's because most of the so called terrorists named by the CIA are all alive and well, one of the many, many many inconsistencies with the official 911 story...!!!

Check out 911 truth or 1,000 other similar websites trying to get behind the truth about 911...!!!

[Ninastar]

what do you mean by 'the truth?'

what is so hard to understand about a group of terrorists flying a plane into two of the most important buildings in the world?

not only is there lots of footage of it being planned, but they admitted to it as well.

[smeagol]

one of them was called bush

Originally Posted by Nedusa

That's because most of the so called terrorists named by the CIA are all alive and well, one of the many, many many inconsistencies with the official 911 story...!!!

Check out 911 truth or 1,000 other similar websites trying to get behind the truth about 911...!!!

Save yourselves time and don't bother with the 9/11 truther movement. It has no relationship to reality, and is impervious to facts.

[mizzy25]

Its weird that I know exactly where I was and what I was watching on tv when it happened.

[Samm]

It's still a big mystery

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by mizzy25

Its weird that I know exactly where I was and what I was watching on tv when it happened.

I was in my brothers car on the way back from lunch when I heard it on the radio

[Kazanne]

I would lose all faith in humanity if it was proven it was an inside job.

Originally Posted by Nedusa

That's because most of the so called terrorists named by the CIA are all alive and well, one of the many, many many inconsistencies with the official 911 story...!!!

Check out 911 truth or 1,000 other similar websites trying to get behind the truth about 911...!!!

I always remember just after it happened, there were all these rumours of white people helping out muslims in newsagents etc and being told to stay out of the area on day x because they'd been kind. Then when I got to uni and the subject came up, it seems that every part of the country had their own version of this story.

[Kyle]

I'm not beyond the idea that it is an inside job, humans are capable of some pretty sick stuff but then Again you can make a conspiracy for anything really.

If someone really wanted they could say it was Giant Lizards that orchestrated the events and they were in league with aliens in a big plot to send the U.S into War and make their foreign policy disliked so that nobody trusted anybody and the world would be easy pickings.

I'll stick with the official version of things.

[fingers]

Unfortunately Official Versions of Things can also be quite untrue, like why we went to war in Iraq, because Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that these were capable of being deployed in 40 minutes.