[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I quite liked it actually, but needed more oomph. Nick is not good uptempo.

the problem is Nick has no charisma which you really need for a song like that, he's no Robbie Williams. Robbie doesn't have a great voice but he's got so much personality he can pull it off

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niazareth

the problem is Nick has no charisma which you really need for a song like that, he's no Robbie Williams. Robbie doesn't have a great voice but he's got so much personality he can pull it off

True. I was hoping Nick would pull it off, but he fell short.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Niazareth

the problem is Nick has no charisma which you really need for a song like that, he's no Robbie Williams. Robbie doesn't have a great voice but he's got so much personality he can pull it off

that's the big problem with nick AND Sam , they are competant singers - in a West End way - but yes you need charisma for Candy, a good voice is not enough. Ithink Gary could have been bitchier but spared Nicholas' feelings imo

[Vanessa]

Apparently Sam Bailey only sold 45K of Skyscraper this week. Geez. Sales are low this year!

[Marcus.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Apparently Sam Bailey only sold 45K of Skyscraper this week. Geez. Sales are low this year!

ouch
that bad

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Apparently Sam Bailey only sold 45K of Skyscraper this week. Geez. Sales are low this year!

a day and a half =/= a week

[Vanessa]

I know. I think it reflect the low viewing figures we've had this year. The show is in rapid decline.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

that's the big problem with nick AND Sam , they are competant singers - in a West End way - but yes you need charisma for Candy, a good voice is not enough. Ithink Gary could have been bitchier but spared Nicholas' feelings imo

mm true enough, I like Sam and she has a great voice but I would never ever by an album of hers or choose to listen to that sort of thing

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niazareth

mm true enough, I like Sam and she has a great voice but I would never ever by an album of hers or choose to listen to that sort of thing

Likewise. I like indie/rock.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Likewise. I like indie/rock.

Same

[Z]

Originally Posted by Niazareth

mm true enough, I like Sam and she has a great voice but I would never ever by an album of hers or choose to listen to that sort of thing

This is the problem with the X Factor in a nutshell. It is a Saturday night entertainment show. People watch it for the camp performances, the judges and their comments, the weekly guests performing their new songs, the results show which usually stirs up a reaction on a weekly basis with some kind of shock result (someone going home/someone getting through)...

The X Factor also wants to be a talent search for the next big star who will sell lots of records, be a celebrity and sell lots of merchandise. They like to talk the talk (various bootcamps and auditions and jumping through hoops in order to get on the live shows) and then it all falls apart because the show is a glorified Butlins show broadcast to the nation. As a result of this total clash in interests, sometimes we have a series where there are some bona fide stars ready to be launched to the UK public - they aren't often the winners but sometimes they are (Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke, Little Mix) - usually though they're one of the runners up (Olly Murs, One Direction, JLS, Cher Lloyd) and sometimes it produces acts who are somewhat credible, if not particularly successful (Matt Cardle, Rebecca Ferguson, perhaps James Arthur if he stops being a twat)... but these acts go through the same machine as the token joke entry (Jedward, Wagner, Chico etc) and rub shoulders with stage school no hopers (Joe McElderry, Rhydian, Ray Quinn) who might be flawless performers with many great attributes under their belt but absolutely no hope of selling records whatsoever.

That is the great problem with the X Factor. The show itself doesn't know what it wants to be, so the acts it produces every year vary wildly from proper, raring to go popstars to great karaoke singers. Sam Bailey, bless her, is a great karaoke singer. How are you supposed to market her to the public? Who is going to buy a Sam Bailey single or album, what is her sound going to be, what are her performances going to be like? How will she cope with the music industry? She's a great singer but is she an artist or capable of being one? I don't think she is, personally.