[Livia]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Yes because these people are thick and uneducated and don't know its dangers. It's more of a cultural problem anyway

Salman, I can understand your frustration. Don't be drawn into defending your faith... this is supposed to be a discussion about animal slaughter and not the rights and wrongs of any particular faith in general.

[Niamh.]

Yes, can we stick to the discussion at hand - Animal Slaughter please

[lostalex]

yes, i agree, more animal slaughter please! i came inn this thread for dead animals and all i get is religion!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yes, i agree, more animal slaughter please! i came inn this thread for dead animals and all i get is religion!

Super

[Z]

I like dying animals the best, then you get to see them die

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its more about the best way to kill animals and the most humane based on the best scientific thinking available and not superstition passed down by families.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zee

I like dying animals the best, then you get to see them die

only the yummy ones though.

but no eating porcupines plzzz, they are too cute.

Youtube video

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

It's udderly barbaric.

Yes.........I Know it Behooves me to agree with you..........

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it's not really a stupid comparison, cause they were marrying their cousins... that's a fact... and they were also preparing meat without refrigerators or ovens, or any other kind of modern cooking appliances... so it's not really "stupid" of me to be pointing it out....but it is kinda "stupid" to be taking advice from primitive people from 1000 years ago... people were pretty ****ed up back then, is my point.

Exactly...........that's a major part of my argument against organised traditional religions, they were developed millenia ago. the rules and rituals about what you can and cannot do were brought into being by people who as you say were primitive and uninformed.

Sadly, I think people following these ridiculous rituals and do & dont's, should know better and realise just how daft most of this stuff is..........

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes, can we stick to the discussion at hand - Animal Slaughter please

Actually this thread is about what has higher importance Animal's rights or Religious practices.....

[Me. I Am Salman]

no one cares medusa

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Salman!

no one cares medusa

People do care that is why the senior vet in the UK has brought it up. Animal rights must come before peoples unfounded personal beliefs they inherited from parents.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Actually this thread is about what has higher importance Animal's rights or Religious practices.....

Religious practices concerning animal slaughter yes, not an open day on attacking all parts of religion.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Livia

Chickens that live their lives in tiny cages without being able to stand up properly so people can buy cheap eggs... Pigs kept in pens too small for them to even turn around and are bred continually so people can have cheap pork... calves taken from their mother as soon as they're born and kept in the dark for their short miserable life so that people can pay through the nose for veal... all cruel. Did the veterinary surgeon who seems so concerned with religious rites have an opinion an any of that stuff, do you think?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

People do care that is why the senior vet in the UK has brought it up. Animal rights must come before peoples unfounded personal beliefs they inherited from parents.

I've quoted my own post because it kind of addresses yours and you either missed it or ignored it. If non-religous slaughter was above reproach I could understand your argument. As it is, this is just avenue for the very vocal anti-religous lobby of this forum to try to drag down people of faith.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've quoted my own post because it kind of addresses yours and you either missed it or ignored it. If non-religous slaughter was above reproach I could understand your argument. As it is, this is just avenue for the very vocal anti-religous lobby of this forum to try to drag down people of faith.

To be fair he can be concerned about more than one subject and he is, today he is taking on religious ritual slaughter. By highlighting this he is in no way saying that the non-religious slaughter of animals is perfect, coz it aint.

One step at a time

Sweet Jesus

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

To be fair he can be concerned about more than one subject and he is, today he is taking on religious ritual slaughter. By highlighting this he is in no way saying that the non-religious slaughter of animals is perfect, coz it aint.

One step at a time

Sweet Jesus

I understand that. What I don't understand is that non-ritual slaughter is far more widespread and the numbers of animals slaughtered in a non-ritual way far outnumber those slaughtered by religious rules. There are also regular and numerous reports of bad practice surrounding animals raised for food and I know for a fact that MPs and MEPs are regularly contacted by people concerned about all kinds of issues surrounding the ethical treatment of animals in the way they're kept, the way they're bred, the way they're transported and the way they're slaughtered. And yet this vet ignoring all that and raising the question of ritual slaughter. I'd be interested to know why he's concerned enough to make an issue of ritual slaughter and not of all the other bad practices going on every day in the UK.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Religious practices concerning animal slaughter yes, not an open day on attacking all parts of religion.

Agreed..................

[Apple202]

yup

animal rights > religious freedom

[Apple202]

but tbh i just think whatever is the most humane and fastest method should always be used, and that should be made law and inspected constantly

[Z]

I think if we were forced to watch how all types of animal meat widely consumed in the UK ends up in the packaging in our supermarkets more people would be vegetarians. I never think about where the meat came from and how it was slaughtered when I'm eating meat. Perhaps I should. It would stop me from eating meat.

[joeysteele]

I hated those programmes that showed the killing process in abbattoirs, the animals looked terrified going in there and must have been able to sense fear and smell the blood too.
grow it,kill it,eat it I think the series was,something like that anyway.

There are no easy ways to kill an animal for food really, all will have some fault as to the process but I cannot see change coming as to halal processes.
I guess that for as long as people demand meat it will go on and nothing will change at all for any methods used.
The point also is the argument that the animals slaughtered are only bred in the first place for food,if there was not the demand for meat then they likely would never have been bred at all.

I do agree a lot of the farming methods are rather dubious and cause suffering to a lot of animals even before they get anywhere near the slaughtering stage.