Originally Posted by Ryan57

Fergie did leave behind a crap midfield and some aging problems at centre back.

However, Fergie set up deals for Thiago Alcantara, who would of fixed the creativity in midfield problem, and Ezequial Garay to replace Ferdinand. What did Moyes do? Decided he didn't want them.

So, not only would Moyes of inherited the Champions he'd of had two problems fixed before he'd even sat down in his office for the first time.

Instead he signs Fellaini.

Edit: Leon basically covered it.

I will add though, this squad should of been more than capable of finish in the top 4. Would the likes of Jose, Guardiola or Klopp have us in seventh spot and losing to the likes of West Brom and Newcastle at home? No.

I don't doubt the Tiago stuff, but I also think that Pep could and would have stepped it at any point required to make sure he got his man. There's enough of a stick to beat the chosen one with, I don't think losing an ex Barca player to Pep at the European champions is one of them.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Fergie did leave behind a crap midfield and some aging problems at centre back.

However, Fergie set up deals for Thiago Alcantara, who would of fixed the creativity in midfield problem, and Ezequial Garay to replace Ferdinand. What did Moyes do? Decided he didn't want them.

So, not only would Moyes of inherited the Champions he'd of had two problems fixed before he'd even sat down in his office for the first time.

Instead he signs Fellaini.

Edit: Leon basically covered it.

I will add though, this squad should of been more than capable of finish in the top 4. Would the likes of Jose, Guardiola or Klopp have us in seventh spot and losing to the likes of West Brom and Newcastle at home? No.

Absolutely spot on.

I think its now clear SAF was winding down in his last few years but there is no way United should be in this mess. Everything was in place for Moyes to succeed but he fired all the back room staff and decided he didnt want the players who were already virtually signed. Moyes wanted to do it his was and now we see he has no way.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I don't doubt the Tiago stuff, but I also think that Pep could and would have stepped it at any point required to make sure he got his man. There's enough of a stick to beat the chosen one with, I don't think losing an ex Barca player to Pep at the European champions is one of them.

The deal was set up long before Pep came in for him. Moyes could of signed him pretty much instantly, instead he dithered, and in the end chose to sign an average player in Fellaini.

[King Gizzard]

We dem Moyes boys aren't we Leon

[Ryan57]

I thought about this earlier, if we progress tonight and get drawn against a Bayern Munich or Real Madrid... Moyes' position could well become untenable. As we'd get absolutely slaughtered. A la Barcelona last season.

[King Gizzard]

but then would you want the new manager also getting slaughtered by bayern/madrid, might as well stick with him till the end of the season so the new guy doesn't keep losing

[Ryan57]

I was thinking we'd sack him after the second leg. However, if it was after a first leg defeat then we'd probably get at least a half decent result with a new, better, manager.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

The deal was set up long before Pep came in for him. Moyes could of signed him pretty much instantly, instead he dithered, and in the end chose to sign an average player in Fellaini.

Yeah, I know what you're saying, but that deal was probably sorted before Pep joined Bayern. My point was that Unless he'd actually signed the contract with you, then I think Peps interest in Thiago would have made him reconsider his options.

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I thought about this earlier, if we progress tonight and get drawn against a Bayern Munich or Real Madrid... Moyes' position could well become untenable. As we'd get absolutely slaughtered. A la Barcelona last season.

too far gone in the season and you don't have much to play for apart from Europa which I think youll get (the club will want it for coefficients and stuff) so you may as well wait now and let a new guy have a summer

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not long now

Its like watching a car crash in slow motion...

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Nathan

too far gone in the season and you don't have much to play for apart from Europa which I think youll get (the club will want it for coefficients and stuff) so you may as well wait now and let a new guy have a summer

If we got someone in now he'd be able to get to know the players and perhaps decide who he wants to keep and who he wants to get rid of.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

If we got someone in now he'd be able to get to know the players and perhaps decide who he wants to keep and who he wants to get rid of.

Fergie will step in as interim manager as he has serious egg on his face after picking Moyes

[Cherie]

I have posted this before, and enjoy the absolute silence that follows..

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Fergie will step in as interim manager as he has serious egg on his face after picking Moyes

When the rumour mill started about Klopp coming, they said it would bethe start of next season and an interim would see the season out. My guess would it be SAF or maybe Micky Phelan back...

[Brother Leon]

Sir Alex isn't coming back as interim manager. The new manager shouldn't have to take over from him yet again.

[Cherie]

Phelan possibly!

[MTVN]

Fergie should just piss off altogether tbh, whoever the manager is wouldn't like him looming over them every game in the director's box, especially if they do end up looking for a big name manager if Moyes does go in the next year

[Brother Leon]

If he was sacked early then we would just have Giggs be "Player Manager" while they find so eone for the summer I imagine.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Fergie should just piss off altogether tbh, whoever the manager is wouldn't like him looming over them every game in the director's box, especially if they do end up looking for a big name manager if Moyes does go in the next year

I'd like to see Fergie go. And Bobby Charlton. This whole mess is their fault. They should never have a say ever again.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Sir Alex isn't coming back as interim manager. The new manager shouldn't have to take over from him yet again.

Don't see any reason why not. Moyes was just not good enough simple as. He stuttered from the start by making a mess of the summer transfer window.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I'd like to see Fergie go. And Bobby Charlton. This whole mess is their fault. They should never have a say ever again.

:ummm2: yeah lets get rid of Fergie after all what has he done for United, yes it was a mistake choosing Moyes, but give the guy a break he is is not all knowing!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Sir Alex isn't coming back as interim manager. The new manager shouldn't have to take over from him yet again.

Don't see any reason why not. Moyes was just not good enough simple as. He stuttered from the start by making a mess of the summer transfer window.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I'd like to see Fergie go. And Bobby Charlton. This whole mess is their fault. They should never have a say ever again.

yeah lets get rid of Fergie after all what has he done for United, yes it was a mistake choosing Moyes, but give the guy a break he is is not all knowing!

[King Gizzard]

[Ryan57]

LOL at the thread title change.

yeah lets get rid of Fergie after all what has he done for United, yes it was a mistake choosing Moyes, but give the guy a break he is is not all knowing!

I'd rather him go as I'm pretty sure the only reason Moyes is still here is due to Fergie. I totally appreciate what he did, but the club needs to move on. Would rather he not be at games watching over.

[Ryan57]