[Crimson Dynamo]

Around 95% of the population dont go to church or read the bible. They dont watch religious stuff on tv and they dont look at religious stuff online. Holidays are just holidays. They dont believe that an invisible god thing can read their thoughts, they doint think they are sinners, they dont give any money to religion and they never give religion a minutes thought.

Also having been a regular church goer at one time I can tell you that the 5% of church goers mostly dont know one end of a bible from the other or could really agree on what being a christian actually is.




Lip service is all it is.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We are far more a football country or a dog loving country if you wish to categorise a country in such a rather silly way.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Around 95% of the population dont go to church or read the bible. They dont watch religious stuff on tv and they dont look at religious stuff online. Holidays are just holidays. They dont believe that an invisible god thing can read their thoughts, they doint think they are sinners, they dont give any money to religion and they never give religion a minutes thought.

Also having been a regular church goer at one time I can tell you that the 5% of church goers mostly dont know one end of a bible from the other or could really agree on what being a christian actually is.

Lip service is all it is.

That doesn't mean it isn't a "Christian" country.

Most people don't follow football, they don't watch it on the telly during the season and they don't follow a local team. However they'll support England (or their own national team) when the world cup's on. I don't see anyone moaning about them not being a football fan for 99% of the time. It's the same with religion. Most people aren't Christians, but look a the amount of people who get married in church! That sing carols at Christmas... that take the holiday pay for religious festivals they apparently don't believe in.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We are far more a football country or a dog loving country if you wish to categorise a country in such a rather silly way.

I just said that. Kind of.

Get out of my head, Trumpet.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

That doesn't mean it isn't a "Christian" country.

Most people don't follow football, they don't watch it on the telly during the season and they don't follow a local team. However they'll support England (or their own national team) when the world cup's on. I don't see anyone moaning about them not being a football fan for 99% of the time. It's the same with religion. Most people aren't Christians, but look a the amount of people who get married in church! That sing carols at Christmas... that take the holiday pay for religious festivals they apparently don't believe in.

I hate this one tbh, people need time off work because they need a break sometimes, who cares why that break occurred? people are just happy to have it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

That doesn't mean it isn't a "Christian" country.

Most people don't follow football, they don't watch it on the telly during the season and they don't follow a local team. However they'll support England (or their own national team) when the world cup's on. I don't see anyone moaning about them not being a football fan for 99% of the time. It's the same with religion. Most people aren't Christians, but look a the amount of people who get married in church! That sing carols at Christmas... that take the holiday pay for religious festivals they apparently don't believe in.

only you could equate religion with football and attempt to make it sound plausible that is the national view

[arista]

Hindu, Muslim and Sikh leaders back the PM after 'militant atheists' tell him to keep quiet on religion

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2zcKeUbZ7

[Kizzy]

Anyone who isn't Christian = Atheist lefty militant

[Kizzy]

But Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg said Mr Cameron was ‘brave’ to take on the atheists.
‘The extreme secularists are an aggressive and unpleasant lobby and they have a degree of self-righteousness that the Pharisees would be proud of,’ he said


Could this be seen as anti-Semitism?... let's see.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Hindu, Muslim and Sikh leaders back the PM after 'militant atheists' tell him to keep quiet on religion

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2zcKeUbZ7

They back him but they all think he is wrong about his god and think their gods are the right ones

You could not make it up

[Kizzy]

'earlier this week, he said that he believed Britain should be more ‘evangelical’ about Christianity and ‘more confident about our status as a Christian country’. In an article for the Church Times, he argued that some atheists and agnostics did not understand that faith could be a ‘guide or a helpful prod’ towards morality'

Has he been misquoted in the mail?... this is what he actually said.

'Many atheists and agnostics live by a moral code - and there are Christians who don't. But for people who do have a faith, that faith can be a guide or a helpful prod in the right direction - and, whether inspired by faith or not, that direction or moral code matters.'

http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/article...rch-of-england

[Crimson Dynamo]

in all honesty it does not matter one iota what dave thinks and that quote is about as clear as ditch water.

Perfect Anglican muffle

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Hindu, Muslim and Sikh leaders back the PM after 'militant atheists' tell him to keep quiet on religion

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2zcKeUbZ7

Why should he stay quiet though, it seems free speech is only welcomed if people agree with what the person is saying. Dave had his say, the antis have had theirs, what is the problem here exactly

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

SIR – We respect the Prime Minister’s right to his religious beliefs and the fact that they necessarily affect his own life as a politician. However, we object to his characterisation of Britain as a “Christian country” and the negative consequences for politics and society that this engenders.
Apart from in the narrow constitutional sense that we continue to have an established Church, Britain is not a “Christian country”. Repeated surveys, polls and studies show that most of us as individuals are not Christian in our beliefs or our religious identities.
At a social level, Britain has been shaped for the better by many pre-Christian, non-Christian, and post-Christian forces. We are a plural society with citizens with a range of perspectives, and we are a largely non-religious society.
Constantly to claim otherwise fosters alienation and division in our society. Although it is right to recognise the contribution made by many Christians to social action, it is wrong to try to exceptionalise their contribution when it is equalled by British people of different beliefs. This needlessly fuels enervating sectarian debates that are by and large absent from the lives of most British people, who do not want religions or religious identities to be actively prioritised by their elected government.
Professor Jim Al-Khalil
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Natalie Haynes
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Sir Terry Pratchett
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Professor John A Lee
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Zoe Margolis
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Michael Rubenstein
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Dan Snow

Tough.........it is a Christian Country, get over it !

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

only you could equate religion with football and attempt to make it sound plausible that is the national view

I think you'll find Leather Trumpet also used the analogy. Of course, you're not quite as obsessed with him as you are with me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Livia]

LOL... excellent.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You can't deny the fact that there are more non Christians than Christians as found in the study, that is not to say (swiftly) that everyone else is non-religious.
Well it depends how far back in history you want to go, Christianity was adopted we didn't give birth to it... And in the main it was forced upon us wasn't it?
If real and honest Christian values were adopted it would indeed be a wonderous thing, how likely is it that dave and his writhing serpents will lead by example?... not very.

True, most would now say they are not religious but I believe the most recent study found the majority would still identify as Christian even if they're not actively religious. That's the thing really, it's more about identity and heritage than whether or not people are avid church goers. You could go further back if you wanted, but the influence of other religious creeds is negligible compared to that of Christianity. The whole way our country is today, how society is governed, is more due to Christianity than any other faith.

[InOne]

I remember my teacher once telling me that just because they were White and English, some of the kids automatically thought they were Christian yet had next to no knowledge about any of it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

if you asked a 100 people "what is a christian?" you would get a 100 different answers

[AnnieK]

I tend to think of Christian people as those who have been christened. They may not be practising but they were identified with that faith...albeit usually not through their own choice. When I was a kid everyone I knew was christened and therefore if asked would say they were Christian or church of England now more people are leaving it to their children to make their own choices when they are older.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think you'll find Leather Trumpet also used the analogy. Of course, you're not quite as obsessed with him as you are with me.

He made a vague comparison and you used it as a suggestion of a direct correlation it was quite different. And I'm not obsessed with anyone, I have quoted a lot of people in this thread you're not special.

Can I just point out you quoted me first,telling me you find my posting tedious....