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Josy · 19-07-2014, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Helen does deserve credit for sticking it out when she has a child at home, but the OP isn't about being in Big Brother, it's about all the **** Ashleigh's dealt with while being there. Helen (for example) hasn't had what she's said about other people played to other hms, and hasn't been shouted at because of it by someone older and a lot gobbier than her.

Also, the OP doesn't say Ashleigh deserves MORE credit than anybody else, just that they feel Ashleigh hasn't received the credit she's due for how she's behaved. Just cause Danielle also had a lot of **** doesn't belittle Ashleigh's reaction and behaviour.

I know the OP doesn't say she deserves more credit, my points were that the reasons they give for Ashleigh getting credit can be applied to most of the housemates, they have all dealt with crap since day one and none of them are more worthy than the others for sticking it out, being without friends and family and so on.

rionablue · 19-07-2014, 05:30 PM

Ummmmmmmm no she doesn't deserve any credit. She never confronted the people she bitched about i.e Helen and Kim about her problem with them and she has behaved like an old woman never looking as if she had any fun. And if that wasn't enough she is constantly saying she wants to go home which is a huge minus in my book as so many many people would have loved her position in the house. Ashleigh is a bitch

Achilles · 19-07-2014, 05:31 PM

10 Positives:
Beautiful
Elegant
Graceful
Funny
Caring
Adorable
Feminine
Well mannered
Ladylike
Sexy

Negative:
bitches about bitches sometimes

Ashleigh FTW

Yaki da · 19-07-2014, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Let's give her credit everyone. SHE'S OWWWNLAAAY ATE TEEEEN!!!

Well done Ashleigh, you've been alive 18 years.

Well done girl! Such an awesome housemate we can only praise her for when she was born.

You don't think how a person deals with a situation at a certain age has any bearing on how mature that person really is? You think a 36 year old person is no different to an 18 year old?

You were the same person at both ages were you? You're a very strange person who seems to like using smiley's a lot but doesn't ever have much of an argument.

Yaki da · 19-07-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rionablue

Ummmmmmmm no she doesn't deserve any credit. She never confronted the people she bitched about i.e Helen and Kim about her problem with them

what would be the point in confronting Helen with a problem? and Helen was well aware Ashleigh didn't like her. Helen regularly spoke of Ashleigh not giving her the time of day.

Marsh. · 19-07-2014, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da

You haven't picked anything I've said apart at all. Do you disagree that she's had a lot thrown at her over the last 3 week? Do you disagree that she's held it together rather well?

Helen has a free pass to the final, most of her closest friends are still there and she rarely, if ever, has anything about her revealed to the others in the house. And even if she did, she would be safe.

Compare that to Ashleigh times in the house, particularly over the last 3 weeks.

Yes, I disagree.

If the only person you can think of who's "had it easier" than Ashleigh is Helen because of a free pass to the final then all I'll say is there are a load more housemates in there other than the two of them.

Yaki da · 19-07-2014, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I know the OP doesn't say she deserves more credit, my points were that the reasons they give for Ashleigh getting credit can be applied to most of the housemates

Not to the same extent imo. You seem to be incapable of recognizing some people have had more thrown at them in the house than others and over the last 3 weeks, Ashleigh has been one of them.

Yaki da · 19-07-2014, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, I disagree.

If the only person you can think of who's "had it easier" than Ashleigh is Helen because of a free pass to the final then all I'll say is there are a load more housemates in there other than the two of them.

I was keeping with the girls. But the men, with the exception of Marlon over the last week and Christopher a couple of times have had it very easy.

Marsh. · 19-07-2014, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da

You don't think how a person deals with a situation at a certain age has any bearing on how mature that person really is? You think a 36 year old person is no different to an 18 year old?

You were the same person at both ages were you? You're a very strange person who seems to like using smiley's a lot but doesn't ever have much of an argument.

I can't answer the first question, I've never been 36.

I'd offer an argument if you presented one in the first place. Just like your "fix" arguments, it's based on bias and no tangible facts whatsoever.

NotAWannabe · 19-07-2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

As does every other housemate. They are ALL cut off from their family/friends/outside world/media. I doubt any of them have done that before.

That is why it seems to me to be so unfair when twins or couples are part of the house. They have 'soul mates' in which to confide.

Marsh. · 19-07-2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da

I was keeping with the girls. But the men, with the exception of Marlon over the last week and Christopher a couple of times have had it very easy.

So now Christopher has had it hard too?

I'll end the discussion here.

Marsh. · 19-07-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NotAWannabe

That is why it seems to me to be so unfair when twins or couples are part of the house. They have 'soul mates' in which to confide.

I agree. I hate it when they put twins/partners/parents in although I did like Charlie and Jackie.

Yaki da · 19-07-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

So now Christopher has had it hard too?

He did in the first couple of weeks, yes.

Josy · 19-07-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da

Not to the same extent imo. You seem to be incapable of recognizing some people have had more thrown at them in the house than others and over the last 3 weeks, Ashleigh has been one of them.

Ashleigh isn't one of them IMO.

Ashleigh singled herself out and distanced herself from the rest of the group that was her choosing no one elses.

She came up with the plan to try getting another person out of the house and gloated about it in the DR, that's when she got the bad reaction again her own doing.

All she had 'flung' at her was the séance thing and her DR conversation and plan being revealed and then Helen and Kim calling her out on it afterward.

So yes I disagree that she is one of the housemates with a lot thrown at them

Jale
Chris
Danielle
Marlon

All had a **** load of stuff thrown at them by BB and the housemates.

Kazanne · 19-07-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da

See what I mean. These people cannot give her one bit of credit.

Credit where credit is due and there is none due,sorry

Yaki da · 19-07-2014, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Let's make it about me and not the topic.

Almost as though you're struggling for material.

Well done, argument lost.

You're yet to actually respond to any point made yet. As per usual.

Marsh. · 19-07-2014, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da

You're yet to actually respond to any point made yet. As per usual.

My first posts in the thread?

As usual I have to repeat myself in your threads. I shall no longer bother.

Marsh. · 19-07-2014, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

Ashleigh isn't one of them IMO.

Ashleigh singled herself out and distanced herself from the rest of the group that was her choosing no one elses.

She came up with the plan to try getting another person out of the house and gloated about it in the DR, that's when she got the bad reaction again her own doing.

All she had 'flung' at her was the séance thing and her DR conversation and plan being revealed and then Helen and Kim calling her out on it afterward.

So yes I disagree that she is one of the housemates with a lot thrown at them

Jale
Chris
Danielle
Marlon

All had a **** load of stuff thrown at them by BB and the housemates.

But she's onlaay ATE TEEEEN!!!!!

Josy · 19-07-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

But she's onlaay ATE TEEEEN!!!!!

Silly me forgetting that

Glyn
Jennie
Sam
Amanda
Cairon
Alex

All 18 at the time of being in the house, never noticed them getting more credit than others.

Yaki da · 19-07-2014, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

Ashleigh isn't one of them IMO.

Ashleigh singled herself out and distanced herself from the rest of the group that was her choosing no one elses.

That's not why she had a target on her back. That was because of the various bits of footage being shown to the other housemates. Something that has happened to her more than any of them in the last couple of weeks.

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She came up with the plan to try getting another person out of the house and gloated about it in the DR, that's when she got the bad reaction again her own doing.

And as I said, had a guy done what she did, he'd have almost certainly been cheered on.

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All she had 'flung' at her was the séance thing and her DR conversation and plan being revealed and then Helen and Kim calling her out on it afterward.

And Judi James coming in to provide the language with which HMs could use to launch further attacks. She's also been up for eviction, had a hostile crowd reception and Helen ranting at her whilst supported by Kim... Despite this she has not broken at all. That takes some strength.

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So yes I disagree that she is one of the housemates with a lot thrown at them

Jale
Chris
Danielle
Marlon

All had a **** load of stuff thrown at them by BB and the housemates.

I don't think Chris has had much thrown at him to be honest. Jale? I agree. Danielle? Only in the last couple of days. And she was much more a shrinking violet in the face of the attacks on her. Ashleigh proved to be much more resilient. And Marlon only had a bad time in his last few days, and he spent most of it just doing push ups from I can gather.

Yaki da · 19-07-2014, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

Silly me forgetting that

Glyn
Jennie
Sam
Amanda
Cairon
Alex

All 18 at the time of being in the house, never noticed them getting more credit than others.

None of them had anywhere near as much as Ashleigh thrown at them.

Josy · 19-07-2014, 05:47 PM

Of course they never, Ashleigh has practically survived the apocalypse in there

Yaki da · 19-07-2014, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

My first posts in the thread?

As usual I have to repeat myself in your threads. I shall no longer bother.

Your first post in this thread was...

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Strength and determination of all that's been thrown at her?

Sorry, what?

No argument, no attempt to engage whatsoever. Just a piffy remark. Pathetic.

Marsh. · 19-07-2014, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da

None of them had anywhere near as much as Ashleigh thrown at them.

Okay, no more going around the houses, no more being vague, please list as concisely as possible in bullet point form every single thing Ashleigh has had thrown at her that HASN'T affected the others?

andybigbro · 19-07-2014, 05:48 PM

I agree with Josy's points and I'm a fan of Ashleigh.

She doesn't deserve any more credit than the other housemates, her age is irrelevant. She's an adult and like the others can handle herself.

Also what has she had thrown at her that's means she deserves credit?

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