[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

Jale was given the killer nomination, faced eviction every week, picked on by Helen, Pauline and Toya, she was isolated and bullied by Helen who actually received a warning about her behaviour towards her and for the first couple of weeks barely any of the housemates would even talk to her.

Agree entirely.

Chris was isolated when he first entered because Pauline spread around what he said on his VT.

He was okay after a few days. Hasn't had to cope with much since imo.

Danielle was turned into a timid little mouse due to her argument with Helen and then all the tasks that were targeting her and also the targeting of her by Biannca from the minute she entered the house.

Yes and imo she became a shrinking violet, hence not being as strong as Ashleigh.

Christopher was picked on by Toya and Pauline, reduced to tears because of both of them, faced eviction for a few weeks in a row and was chosen to face it again by Matthew and Toya.

Yep, I've conceded Jale had it tough and I think Christopher did too. But I think over the last 3 weeks the person who has had the biggest target on her back has been Ashleigh, and she's actually grown in stature in the house rather than retreat into a shell. She's a tough girl. Why is this so difficult for some of you to give her credit for?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Agree entirely.



He was okay after a few days.



Yes and imo she became a shrinking violet, hence not being as strong as Ashleigh.



Yep, I've conceded Jale had it tough and I think Christopher did too. But I think over the last 3 weeks the person who has had the biggest target on her back has been Ashleigh, and she's actually grown in stature in the house rather than retreat into a shell. She's a tough girl. Why is this so difficult for some of you give her credit for?

And I disagree with that. I also said I do give her credit but not any more than anyone else in there and don't see why anyone would.

Anyway good discussion but it's going round in circles again just like the fix thread you made about the producers creating Armageddon to get Ashleigh out of the house.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

And I disagree with that. I also said I do give her credit but not any more than anyone else in there and don't see why anyone would.

I'd give Jale more credit than any of the others for what she went through over the first 2 weeks and how she handled it. And it does seem to me with her closest friends leaving, the hostile response from the eviction crowd, the seance task and what happened the following week, that Ashleigh has had a lot more thrown at her over the last 2 or 3 weeks. That's not to dismiss claims of Marlon and Danielle having it tough as well. But you can't argue Mark or Winston have

Anyway good discussion but it's going round in circles again just like the fix thread you made about the producers creating Armageddon to get Ashleigh out of the house.

Actually I said it was Ashleigh or Danielle. And it seems that it was right up until the very last moment.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Oh, a free pass doesn't help someone's time in the house now?

No.
Has it made her popular in the house or out?
Has it stopped her being paranoid?
Has it reduced the drama she's involved with?

No, no and no. The pass hasn't made her life easier. For the first couple of weeks the killer nomination actually worked in Jale's favour because of sympathy vote. People have done nothing but moan about Helen's pass.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Your first post in this thread was...



No argument, no attempt to engage whatsoever. Just a piffy remark. Pathetic.

It was a question, which you avoided and went straight to personal comments about me.

So stick to the topic.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No.
Has it made her popular in the house or out?
Has it stopped her being paranoid?
Has it reduced the drama she's involved with?

Has is stopped her from being popular in the house or out? No. Her behaviour has stopped her from being popular outside with the public and inside with certain others, and even now you get the sense that thanks to her warnings and the time she has to redeem herself she's been guided into being someone more likable. She'd have been out in week 2 or 3 otherwise.

Has it made her have to worry less about being evicted and therefore have a more stress free time? Yes

Has it allowed her to be involved in as much drama as she wants to without any worry she'll be evicted? Yes.

I can't believe someone is actually now arguing that a free pass to the final doesn't make someone's time in the house easier.

No, no and no. The pass hasn't made her life easier. For the first couple of weeks the killer nomination actually worked in Jale's favour because of sympathy vote. People have done nothing but moan about Helen's pass.

Yes, from our perspective it seemed easier for Jale. But from her perspective she could have gone every week for all she knew. And eventually she did.

No one is moaning about Helen's pass here. But it is f'n obvious that it has meant she has had an easier ride than others.

[Marsh.]

Jale's cheers told me no, it wasn't that hard for her.

I never said the pass doesn't make some things "easier" but you discuss it as though it makes her appearance "easy". Two very different things.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It was a question, which you avoided and went straight to personal comments about me.

So stick to the topic.

I'd already provided examples in the OP.

Jesus Christ, you're impenetrable.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Jale's cheers told me no, it wasn't that hard for her.

She didn't know she was going to get cheers when her name was announced. And as I said, eventually she did go.

I never said the pass doesn't make some things "easier" but you discuss it as though it makes her appearance "easy". Two very different things.

No, I said she's had in it easier than others. Such as Ashleigh.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I'd already provided examples in the OP.

Jesus Christ, you're impenetrable.

To bullsh*t, I certainly am. We'll stop here because we've entered another of your never-ending cycles. I'm getting off the ride and getting a refund.

Yaki da.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Ashleigh is a strong girl, she deserves to win.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

To bullsh*t, I certainly am. We'll stop here because we've entered another of your never-ending cycles. I'm getting off the ride and getting a refund.

Yaki da.

And once again you failed, from the get-go, to provide any counter arguments and just posted smiley's and piffy remarks.

[Marsh.]

It's all your posts deserve my darling.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's all your posts deserve my darling.

And yet you're still here replying.

[Marsh.]

Is that a piffy remark and a smiley? Oh dear.

[Kazanne]

Good God ,the state of this thread,I hope she's out next then we might get some peace,jeez there is support and then there is obsession.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Good God ,the state of this thread,I hope she's out next then we might get some peace,jeez there is support and then there is obsession.

I can't help it if you're all incapable of taking part in a discussion, which is what a forum is supposed to be for.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Good God ,the state of this thread,I hope she's out next then we might get some peace,jeez there is support and then there is obsession.

Too right.

[Brother Leon]

Why?

She isn't close to having had the toughest time In there..

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I can't help it if you're all incapable of taking part in a discussion, which is what a forum is supposed to be for.

This isn't a discussion,it's an interrogation

[Yaki da]

I might give Digital Spy a go. You get a slightly higher level of debate there.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Why?

She isn't close to having had the toughest time In there..

On the contrary, she spent half her time isolated in the bedroom/pod away from everyone.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I might give Digital Spy a go. You get a slightly higher level of debate there.

Good luck with that.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I might give Digital Spy a go. You get a slightly higher level of debate there.

But that's the thing, it's not a debate because you can't accept opinions that differ from yours. People are "incapable" of seeing things as opposed to disagreeing.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But that's the thing, it's not a debate because you can't accept opinions that differ from yours. People are "incapable" of seeing things as opposed to disagreeing.

God, you're still here. Josy offered some arguments (some of which I agreed with)... Neither you nor Kazanne do. Or when you do, they're laughable, such as thinking Helen hasn't had it easier than the others.