[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

If you read my previous posts you would know I have already said Helen is not a lesser HM because she got the free pass and it would be the same no matter who got it. I have never said it is her fault, NEVER.

But you said yes, and have agreed that Ashleigh is the top original HM left of those who could be nominated, and as that was the subject of the thread, I don't know why it took so long to get there.

No,no no I didn't jet,please don't twist my words, I did not say and would never say that Ashleigh is the 'top' female housemate

I said yes 'only' to the fact she is the only original female housemate that can be nominated not that she is the 'top' female housemate,to me that does not make her a 'top' female housemate at all.
The word itself signifies someone stronger or better as to status as a housemate and that is definitely not the case for me, just as Helen is not a stronger or better housemate than Ashleigh either as to status as a housemate.

It is the word 'top' I take issue with since that indicates she is above another housemate as to status and she is not,in my opinion.

She can of course be your 'top' personal female housemate because you like her from your personal preference but it doesn't make her a more important or more legitimate housemate as to status at all in my view.

Your opening post says Helen doesn't count, therefore you totally downgrade her housemate status in the opening post.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Jet you seem to be trying to corner someone into admitting what we are all aware of just to gain brownie points. Its not apples and apples you are talking about.

No, my thread was being side tracked into areas that it was not about. If people were well aware of what it was about and were aware that it was true, why did they post to bring up points to try to twist the facts?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by jet

But this thread isn't about who will win, it's about Ashleigh being the top original female out of those who could be nominated. How many times do I have to say it?

Yes but Helen is older and taller and has her own hair and bigger tits and better complexion. You cant just make a thread and force everyone to agree with your views. That's called selective and campaigning posting and its not an open subject.

I could make a thread about how tall Helen is and she was a winner because of that, so will you not concede that she is a winner, no she isn't and the thread dies there as it hold no composition.

You seem to be fixated on making us all agree that she is the last remaining female because Helen don't count. What about Zoe, she never asked to come in late and \Helen never asked for the ticket.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No,no no I didn't jet,please don't twist my words, I did not say and would never say that Ashleigh is the 'top' female housemate

I said yes 'only' to the fact she is the only original female housemate that can be nominated not that she is the 'top' female housemate,to me that does not make her a 'top' female housemate at all.
The word itself signifies someone stronger or better as to status as a housemate and that is definitely not the case for me, just as Helen is not a stronger or better housemate than Ashleigh either as to status as a housemate.

It is the word 'top' I take issue with since that indicates she is above another housemate as to status and she is not,in my opinion.

She can of course be your 'top' personal female housemate because you like her from your personal preference but it doesn't make her a more important or more legitimate housemate as to status at all in my view.

She is the female HM who came out on 'top' and still standing of all those who could be nominated. That is a fact and I don't see the need to be petty about it.

Did you read the part of my post where I pointed out that I hadn't said Helen was a lesser HM and didn't say it was her fault she got the pass?

[reece(:]

Ashleigh being the top femme <3333333 when will any other irrel? GJ Ashleigh bae x

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

She is the female HM who came out on 'top' and still standing of all those who could be nominated. That is a fact and I don't see the need to be petty about it.

Did you read the part of my post where I pointed out that I hadn't said Helen was a lesser HM and didn't say it was her fault she got the pass?

She hasn't come out on top,that is the point,she can just be nominated and by the BB rules Helen cannot be, that doesn't make Ashleigh a more relevant housemate then Helen or vice versa even.

You do, being fair, indicate Helen 'is' a lesser housemate.
There are only 2 original female housemates left and you state in the opening post ''Helen doesn't count'', your own words.

To me they both count in equally different ways as equal housemates under the BB rules and scenario in place.
Neither above the other at all.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Yes but Helen is older and taller and has her own hair and bigger tits and better complexion. You cant just make a thread and force everyone to agree with your views. That's called selective and campaigning posting and its not an open subject.

I could make a thread about how tall Helen is and she was a winner because of that, so will you not concede that she is a winner, no she isn't and the thread dies there as it hold no composition.

You seem to be fixated on making us all agree that she is the last remaining female because Helen don't count. What about Zoe, she never asked to come in late and \Helen never asked for the ticket.

It was a thread to celebrate the FACT of Ashleigh being the top female left of those who could be nominated, it wasn't meant to be a debate.
And Helen doesn't count cos she would have been out on her ass in week 1 or 2. FACT.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by jet

It was a thread to celebrate the FACT of Ashleigh being the top female left of those who could be nominated, it wasn't meant to be a debate.
And Helen doesn't count cos she would have been out on her ass in week 1 or 2. FACT.

I give up. Non sensical post in my eyes. its a campaign post for a trash bint.

[joeysteele]

Also Ashleigh could have been out too if BB hadn't made an all female power housemates week where all the guys were up.

That was at the time the get Ashleigh out chants were on the go but she couldn't be nominated that week with the females having the power.

There is always speculation as to who could go but often on BB those we expect to don't and those we think are safe are not.
It can never be said confidently who would go.

[Kazanne]

Sigh,I wonder how this thread would have looked had Ashleigh been given that pass? BB you are soooooooooooo wonderful giving our Queen Ashleigh the pass,what a great idea of yours what a load of bollox

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She hasn't come out on top,that is the point,she can just be nominated and by the BB rules Helen cannot be, that doesn't make Ashleigh a more relevant housemate then Helen or vice versa even.

You do, being fair, indicate Helen 'is' a lesser housemate.
There are only 2 original female housemates left and you state in the opening post ''Helen doesn't count'', your own words.

To me they both count in equally different ways as equal housemates under the BB rules and scenario in place.
Neither above the other at all.

You can say she hasn't come out on top of all the female HM's who could be nominated until you are blue in the face, but you would still be wrong, because she has.

I did NOT say Helen was a lesser HM because she was given the pass or it was her fault, just as it would not be any other HM's fault.
I did say Helen doesn't count, not because she was given the pass, but because of her personality as she would be out on her bullying, nasty gob long ago. You know that as well as I do.

[abhorson]

If only Pav and Zoe had stuck with the original 3's decision.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

You can say she hasn't come out on top of all the female HM's who could be nominated until you are blue in the face, but you would still be wrong, because she has.

I did NOT say Helen was a lesser HM because she was given the pass or it was her fault, just as it would not be any other HM's fault.
I did say Helen doesn't count, not because she was given the pass, but because of her personality as she would be out on her bullying, nasty gob long ago. You know that as well as I do.

I've seen and heard a pretty nasty gob and 2 faced vindictive plotting and lying from Ashleigh too so for me they are even more equal.
We are never going to agree and for me the words top female as to Ashleigh are inappropriate.

I also think, whether she is hated or not, Helen does count, all housemates still in the house count.
All are equal housemates.No one as yet is the TOP one.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I've seen and heard a pretty nasty gob and 2 faced vindictive plotting and lying from Ashleigh too so for me they are even more equal.
We are never going to agree and for me the words top female as to Ashleigh are inappropriate.

I also think, whether she is hated or not, Helen does count, all housemates still in the house count.
All are equal housemates.No one as yet is the TOP one.

Whatever Joey. If you prefer a nasty bully who has been given a final warning and continues to call people cruel names like she did with Jale tonight, that is your right. But don't say that Ashleigh is her equal in nastiness and other horrible traits, because that is just not true, unless you think that the majority of the people on this forum, other forums, facebook and twitter and the general public are thick and stupid.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

Whatever Joey. If you prefer a nasty bully who has been given a final warning and continues to call people cruel names like she did with Jale tonight, that is your right. But don't say that Ashleigh is her equal in nastiness and other horrible traits, because that is just not true, unless you think that the majority of the people on this forum, other forums, facebook and twitter and the general public are thick and stupid.

This is my last reply to this have to say, nowhere ever in all my time on here or for that matter in real life either, have I or do I think the majority of people on this forum,other forums,facebook,twitter and the general public ar stupid and neither thave I ever indicated so.
I may disagree with the majority of people at times on those outlets but never do I call any of them stupid.

It seems you are turning a blind eye to the fact that that public turned very heavily against Ashleigh only a few weeks ago.
You also ignore compeletely the fact I said that Asheligh's 2 faced vindictive plotting make her and Helen 'more equal' not 'completely equal' as to nastiness.

However you read things the way you will, I am surprised I have to say but there it is.
Once you start personally getting at me indicating I may think other people are stupid,it really is time,(for me anyway), to leave this issue before I get accused of other things I haven't done by you too.
A grossly unfair comment and all I have done is stuck to the issue in hand relating to Ashleigh and Helen making no personal comments at all as to you personally except to say I am surprised you have gone down this line.

[MrWong]

Of course Ashleigh's top female.

I'm surprised the debate has gone on for so long.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is my last reply to this have to say, nowhere ever in all my time on here or for that matter in real life either, have I or do I think the majority of people on this forum,other forums,facebook,twitter and the general public ar stupid and neither thave I ever indicated so.
I may disagree with the majority of people at times on those outlets but never do I call any of them stupid.

It seems you are turning a blind eye to the fact that that public turned very heavily against Ashleigh only a few weeks ago.
You also ignore compeletely the fact I said that Asheligh's 2 faced vindictive plotting make her and Helen 'more equal' not 'completely equal' as to nastiness.

However you read things the way you will, I am surprised I have to say but there it is.
Once you start personally getting at me indicating I may think other people are stupid,it really is time,(for me anyway), to leave this issue before I get accused of other things I haven't done by you too.
A grossly unfair comment and all I have done is stuck to the issue in hand relating to Ashleigh and Helen making no personal comments at all as to you personally except to say I am surprised you have gone down this line.

Joey you will never get past some peoples blinkers. Some posters become fixated on a HM and wont be told any different. I have it with Kimberly as she has shown me repeatedly to be scum, but in saying that, its better to walk away but the posters that follow you and poke and prod, are the ones that need to be chastised and that's not happening.

Everyone knows Ashleighs past but she is a chameleon and covers her tracks well like all gamers do. I am with you on this but my voice isn't loud enough so let them have their way and in the fullness of time, the voters will show who is right.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Of course Ashleigh's top female.

I'm surprised the debate has gone on for so long.

Baiting post designed to incite a response and an argument. This is what I mean. No way can this post be serious, it offers no reasons, its purely a baiting post and everyone knows it. Now if someone comes back at it, the poster simply puts stupid laughs or yeah yeah yeah posts and an argument ensues because nobody likes to be insulted. This poster is looking for a fight and its as plain as day. Now see what happens..........Probably.....I was being serious, I am allowed to say what \I want, I was only voicing an opinion bla bla bal. etc etc.

This is a baiting post, full stop.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Baiting post designed to incite a response and an argument. This is what I mean. No way can this post be serious, it offers no reasons, its purely a baiting post and everyone knows it. Now if someone comes back at it, the poster simply puts stupid laughs or yeah yeah yeah posts and an argument ensues because nobody likes to be insulted. This poster is looking for a fight and its as plain as day. Now see what happens..........Probably.....I was being serious, I am allowed to say what \I want, I was only voicing an opinion bla bla bal. etc etc.

This is a baiting post, full stop.

Stick to discussing the housemates. That's always been your problem.

In the meantime I'll post what I like thanks.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Stick to discussing the housemates. That's always been your problem.

In the meantime I'll post what I like thanks.

See what I mean. case proved.

A lecture, followed by an insult and then a statement of intent to do what he feels like regardless of how insulting or crass he is.

Now he waits for my retort...........sorry but the fish are not biting today.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

See what I mean. case proved.

A lecture, followed by an insult and then a statement of intent to do what he feels like regardless of how insulting or crass he is.

Now he waits for my retort...........sorry but the fish are not biting today.

The lecture and insults came from you, see below.

Originally Posted by sampvt

Baiting post designed to incite a response and an argument. This is what I mean. No way can this post be serious, it offers no reasons, its purely a baiting post and everyone knows it. Now if someone comes back at it, the poster simply puts stupid laughs or yeah yeah yeah posts and an argument ensues because nobody likes to be insulted. This poster is looking for a fight and its as plain as day. Now see what happens..........Probably.....I was being serious, I am allowed to say what \I want, I was only voicing an opinion bla bla bal. etc etc.

This is a baiting post, full stop.

I'm in this thread to discuss Ashleigh. I suggest you do the same.

[waterhog]

not happy with top girl - i want her to be BB top and the winner - she deserves it.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MrWong

The lecture and insults came from you, see below.



I'm in this thread to discuss Ashleigh. I suggest you do the same.

This thread has over 6 pages and I have just scrolled back and you have zero posts in it as opposed to loads of mine. Please don't insult my intelligence. You came in here and straight away posted a baiting post. Case closed now please put me on ignore, did I do that right.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by waterhog

not happy with top girl - i want her to be BB top and the winner - she deserves it.

She absolutely does. Fingers crossed eh.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by MrWong

She absolutely does. Fingers crossed eh.

and toes.