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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I still love the crab eyes as to John James.

I agree with Marsh, without Helen it is much more probable that Ashleigh would have had no major storyline whatsoever,she would have likely stayed in the background most of the time and gone in one of the weeks she was up.

She has actually also herself had 2 immune weeks to as to being nominated for eviction so she too will have got to the final with help also, and in one of those immune weeks, the all female power week, she could have gone then as it was around the time of her loud boos.

Had Helen not had the free pass,it may well have been she would have been up some weeks but not all,without the free pass the public may have viewed her differently too and possibly not voted her out anyway,depending on who she was up against.

I do think however,the free pass,is what in the main will have been a major effect on Helen not doing any better than 4th or 5th in the final and I expect Ashleigh to come 3rd.
However, I have said it many times,Ashleigh would have had no real storyline of note without her intense dislike of Helen, whereas Helen has had many storylines with different housemates.

By the way Kazanne,as to somehting you said earlier, I cannot in any way imagine you being a b...h at all,if you ever were then I bet it was the better kind however and not the 2 faced type of one that Asheigh has shown herself to be throughout the series overall.

You say Ashleigh wouldn't have any storylines of note without her 'hatred' of Helen, but you fail to point out that 'all Helen's storylines with different HM's' of note have been nasty ones. Her bullying of Jale, her nasty treatment of Chris and Christopher, her nasty arguments with Matthew, Danielle etc. Her warnings for name calling and bullying. What storyline has she had that hasn't included nastiness? Kissing Ash?
I don't see continuous nastiness and bullying as noteworthy at all...and I certainly don't see Ashleigh bitching about that nastiness and bullying as 'two faced' as you seem to because she wasn't being nice to Helen's face and she was saying what the majority of us were saying. What is your definition of two faced?

And the fact is, you can't possibly know what kind of storylines Ashleigh or any of them would have had without the presence of the awful Helen, especially in the early weeks. I don't forget how the HM's said the house was much better and they enjoyed it more when she was in the morgue....