[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's a bit unfair to bring her mother into it Kazanne. Why do you say she's pushy? If you're just pulling it out of thin air and have nothing to actually back it up then I'll ask you to stop as it is unfair to criticize family of HMs like that just because you don't like the actual HM

That's fair enough Niamh,well it would be if the playing field was level,people have come on here talking about Helen as a mother,oh and her 'poor son',saying horrible things far worse than I've just said,and nothing is said,Ashleigh is supposed to have won Miss Derry isn't she? so I'de wager her mother had a hand in that,afterall Ashleigh is only '18' so couldn't have thought of that all by herself.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's fair enough Niamh,well it would be if the playing field was level,people have come on here talking about Helen as a mother,oh and her 'poor son',saying horrible things far worse than I've just said,and nothing is said,Ashleigh is supposed to have won Miss Derry isn't she? so I'de wager her mother had a hand in that,afterall Ashleigh is only '18' so couldn't have thought of that all by herself.

We can assume many things which might not be true.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's fair enough Niamh,well it would be if the playing field was level,people have come on here talking about Helen as a mother,oh and her 'poor son',saying horrible things far worse than I've just said,and nothing is said,Ashleigh is supposed to have won Miss Derry isn't she? so I'de wager her mother had a hand in that,afterall Ashleigh is only '18' so couldn't have thought of that all by herself.

I would LOVE to see who she up against in "Miss Derry "(hardly miss Universe is it ?) A crossed eyed munter and a overweight bint with a limp are my guess

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I would LOVE to see who she up against in "Miss Derry "(hardly miss Universe is it ?) A crossed eyed munter and a overweight bint with a limp are my guess

wow how nasty Chuff

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's fair enough Niamh,well it would be if the playing field was level,people have come on here talking about Helen as a mother,oh and her 'poor son',saying horrible things far worse than I've just said,and nothing is said,Ashleigh is supposed to have won Miss Derry isn't she? so I'de wager her mother had a hand in that,afterall Ashleigh is only '18' so couldn't have thought of that all by herself.

Helen is an actual HM though Kazanne. So what if she won Miss Derry, that doesn't say a single thing about her mother, funny how she's "only" 18 when it suits the argument eh?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Helen is an actual HM though Kazanne. So what if she won Miss Derry, that doesn't say a single thing about her mother, funny how she's "only" 18 when it suits the argument eh?

I may aswell use the 18 card as everyone else seems to think its an excuse for her being a sulky miserable mare,imo.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I may aswell use the 18 card as everyone else seems to think its an excuse for her being a sulky miserable mare,imo.

Fine use it all you want but It's unfair to use it against her mother, who's not a HM and should not be accused of being "pushy" or a bad mother when you really don't have a clue what kind of a mother or person she is.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Fine use it all you want but It's unfair to use it against her mother, who's not a HM and should not be accused of being "pushy" or a bad mother when you really don't have a clue what kind of a mother or person she is.

Well I'm a self confessed bitch,that's probably why I don't like the girl,I mean if you dislike someone so much at least have the bottle to let them know instead of pretending to be their friend.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I'm a self confessed bitch,that's probably why I don't like the girl,I mean if you dislike someone so much at least have the bottle to let them know instead of pretending to be their friend.

lol I'm sure you're not Kazanne Isn't it easier to just try and be civil though? especially when you're trapped in that small space with them? Not only for your own benefit but for all the other people living with you?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

lol I'm sure you're not Kazanne Isn't it easier to just try and be civil though? especially when you're trapped in that small space with them? Not only for your own benefit but for all the other people living with you?

I just couldn't do that Niamh , I'de just HAVE to let rip.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I'm a self confessed bitch,that's probably why I don't like the girl,I mean if you dislike someone so much at least have the bottle to let them know instead of pretending to be their friend.

..she's not the only housemate by far to have said that Helen is impossible to talk to in terms of listening or taking any criticism and that's it's just not worth what they know they have seen happen to others who have tried ..so she deals with it her way and some people don't like that..?..that's fine, I can understand that but it doesn't make her a bitch because she has conversations that criticise someone who leaves themselves open to such criticism with their behaviour...and there is no value on forcing your own bitter opinion..(not yours, Helen's and people like Helen..) on someone they don't like because that really is just their own experience and interaction with that person...and there's never really much value in making another human feel bad about themselves...we fairly much all do that enough ourselves without the help of others who don't see many positives in anything....

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I'm a self confessed bitch,that's probably why I don't like the girl,I mean if you dislike someone so much at least have the bottle to let them know instead of pretending to be their friend.

Ashleigh never pretended to be Helens friend....Ashleigh disliked everything about her. Helen only confronted Ashleigh after she saw the footage of Ashleigh...when she had reason to. Ashleigh didn't have any reason to confront Helen and tell her what she thought of her...she bitched about Helens behaviour towards other housemates and her nasty controversial attitude. Helen was just waiting for a reason to confront Ashleigh and she got it...
You can't just go up to someone and say what you think of them.. You wait for the opportunity when you yourself are the subject of that behaviour. When Helen got her opportunity Ashleigh fought back...she told her what she thought...it was very intimidating for Ashleigh because she was surrounded by a pack of wolves...and as per usual Helen talked over her and just mouthed off.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ashleigh never pretended to be Helens friend....Ashleigh disliked everything about her. Helen only confronted Ashleigh after she saw the footage of Ashleigh...when she had reason to. Ashleigh didn't have any reason to confront Helen and tell her what she thought of her...she bitched about Helens behaviour towards other housemates and her nasty controversial attitude. Helen was just waiting for a reason to confront Ashleigh and she got it...
You can't just go up to someone and say what you think of them.. You wait for the opportunity when you yourself are the subject of that behaviour. When Helen got her opportunity Ashleigh fought back...she told her what she thought...it was very intimidating for Ashleigh because she was surrounded by a pack of wolves...and as per usual Helen talked over her and just mouthed off.

For weeks now Ashleigh has told us over and over that she's going to confront Helen,still waiting

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ashleigh never pretended to be Helens friend....Ashleigh disliked everything about her. Helen only confronted Ashleigh after she saw the footage of Ashleigh...when she had reason to. Ashleigh didn't have any reason to confront Helen and tell her what she thought of her...she bitched about Helens behaviour towards other housemates and her nasty controversial attitude. Helen was just waiting for a reason to confront Ashleigh and she got it...
You can't just go up to someone and say what you think of them.. You wait for the opportunity when you yourself are the subject of that behaviour. When Helen got her opportunity Ashleigh fought back...she told her what she thought...it was very intimidating for Ashleigh because she was surrounded by a pack of wolves...and as per usual Helen talked over her and just mouthed off.

Guess who this thread isn't about?..

You cannot justify one persons bad attitude and in the same breath condemn anothers.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Fine use it all you want but It's unfair to use it against her mother, who's not a HM and should not be accused of being "pushy" or a bad mother when you really don't have a clue what kind of a mother or person she is.

Yes she said pushy, nothing about her being a bad mother don't put words in peoples mouths.
It's not unusual for these 'pagent mom' types to be described as pushy and ashleigh does come across as a tad entitled and bratty at times.
That is not to be confused with the behaviour of your average 18yr old.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes she said pushy, nothing about her being a bad mother don't put words in peoples mouths.
It's not unusual for these 'pagent mom' types to be described as pushy and ashleigh does come across as a tad entitled and bratty at times.
That is not to be confused with the behaviour of your average 18yr old.

Thanks for the imput Kizzy, I'd rather discuss it with Kazanne though

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Thanks for the imput Kizzy, I'd rather discuss it with Kazanne though

Anytime niamh

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes she said pushy, nothing about her being a bad mother don't put words in peoples mouths.
It's not unusual for these 'pagent mom' types to be described as pushy and ashleigh does come across as a tad entitled and bratty at times.
That is not to be confused with the behaviour of your average 18yr old.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I may aswell use the 18 card as everyone else seems to think its an excuse for her being a sulky miserable mare,imo.

It is a viable reason, she has been up against very much older housemates and done very well.

If she was in their age group, it would be fairer but as a test for Ashleigh's strength of character, she has played a very good strategic game.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I may aswell use the 18 card as everyone else seems to think its an excuse for her being a sulky miserable mare,imo.

..actually the first person to mention her age was Helen who used it as an excuse to feel as though she should be treated differently and not subjected to her venom...and the only reason it's used on the forum is because of the childish behaviour we have seen so often in the house and the contrast to a lot of Ashleigh's behaviour...I'm always right, always right, always right, always right..etc....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..actually the first person to mention her age was Helen who used it as an excuse to feel as though she should be treated differently and not subjected to her venom...and the only reason it's used on the forum is because of the childish behaviour we have seen so often in the house and the contrast to a lot of Ashleigh's behaviour...I'm always right, always right, always right, always right..etc....

Not as I recall. th first person to use it was ashleigh herself tbf, we're not discussing helen at the moment.
It's used a lot on the forum to excuse ashleighs manipulative and aggressive outbursts mainly.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's fair enough Niamh,well it would be if the playing field was level,people have come on here talking about Helen as a mother,oh and her 'poor son',saying horrible things far worse than I've just said,and nothing is said,Ashleigh is supposed to have won Miss Derry isn't she? so I'de wager her mother had a hand in that,afterall Ashleigh is only '18' so couldn't have thought of that all by herself.

..a very few posters may have mentioned Helen's parenting skills and that's just as wrong I agree, I think most people would agree that was right or necessary because those are all assumptions as well ...her mum/parents may have supported her in whatever she's wanted in life...don't most parents do that but that's not in any way being pushy or something either Ashleigh or her mum should have criticism laid at them for....