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Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

It doesn't, it relates to a completely unfound characteristic within her. Had she been older, there would be zero comments about her being a spoilt brat. It's because she is so young and attractive that the remarks exist, I wouldn't say somebody with multiple jobs who does alot of charity work could fall under the term spoilt, but she's young so they'll come out with that drivel anyway.



Like I said, not every single person who dislikes her is jealous, it's the ones who clutch at straws to insult her because they can't think of anything else. I have no idea how somebody could support Helen yet find Ashleigh to be ugly inside.

ugh-you just answered your own question. on here some fans who are crazy fans of one housemate will put down who they see as competition-however insuinating all women are jealous of a female housemate because they dislike elements of her or just because they are female (not just you but others on this thread in general) is really insulting and tiring-especially to fans of said housemate. everyone has their favs and even though she is a fav of mine i can get why people dislike her the way i dislike helen but respect other people do like her because they see something in her.

i havent seen this argument made for helen as it has been for ashleigh, so what does that say hmm?

am i jealous of helen? i would say no because even though she is very pretty i cant deny that she has elements of her personality i find distasteful. despite the fact i have outlined this if she was seen the way some see ashleigh here they would say "oh you just jealous blah blah blah" so it just shows they are not listening or are dumb, or maybe both. just because people repeat that over and over does not make it fact.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Lstan

ugh-you just answered your own question. on here some fans who are crazy fans of one housemate will put down who they see as competition-however insuinating all women are jealous of a female housemate because they dislike elements of her or just because they are female (not just you but others on this thread in general) is really insulting and tiring-especially to fans of said housemate. everyone has their favs and even though she is a fav of mine i can get why people dislike her the way i dislike helen but respect other people do like her because they see something in her.

i havent seen this argument made for helen as it has been for ashleigh, so what does that say hmm?

am i jealous of helen? i would say no because even though she is very pretty i cant deny that she has elements of her personality i find distasteful. despite the fact i have outlined this if she was seen the way some see ashleigh here they would say "oh you just jealous blah blah blah" so it just shows they are not listening or are dumb, or maybe both. just because people repeat that over and over does not make it fact.

The only thing's I find to be jealous traits in people are generalizing housemates because of their appearance. Like I said the spoilt brat perspective comes entirely down to her age and appearance, if she was in her late 20s and acted how she did there would be none of it, and the insults to her appearance... well they speak for themselves. That's my opinion and it's what I'll always think, and I for one have never insulted a housemates appearance bar Steven, and the only reason for that was because he's just generally a hilarious trainwreck.

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

No-one has any 'right' to look down on anyone, one person shouldn't be allowed to judge or determine who is below them or less than them, no matter who it is, so what that Kimberly had sex on Tv, it doesn't make her a bad person whatsoever

I'm pretty sure that if somebody has terrible morals, you can view them as somebody who has terrible morals and look down on them if you wish, as long as it's irrefutable. As for Kimberly, the way she paraded around on BBOTS with a cushion under her outfit to feign pregnancy when she apparently had lost a baby in the house makes her a terrible person. Lying about it and selling stories on it makes her a terrible person, and is extremely disrespectful towards women who have issues conceiving. She is vulgar, what she has done is way worse than anything Helen is known to of done.

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Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

The only thing's I find to be jealous traits in people are generalizing housemates because of their appearance. Like I said the spoilt brat perspective comes entirely down to her age and appearance, if she was in her late 20s and acted how she did there would be none of it, and the insults to her appearance... well they speak for themselves. That's my opinion and it's what I'll always think, and I for one have never insulted a housemates appearance bar Steven, and the only reason for that was because he's just generally a hilarious trainwreck.

i never said you did insult a housemates appearence,(although you now saying you have to steven?) re-read that again. i havent heard people generalising housemates because of their appearence, my specific response was how anyone who dislikes ashleigh is jealous of her and that most women hate her which, given the indications is not true. helen called ashleigh a spoiled brat at least twice before, i think thats where it comes from, people tend to echo what housemates say about each other on here.

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Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

They were more down to his character traits, his table manners, nose picking, breathing out of his mouth, comments like 'I feel as though somebody has wanked all over my face'... He's a complete slob and my comments on his appearance were in the same vain. Not trying to justify why I said it, but it was well deserved. More so than 'she's spotty' or a little brat.



Well they shouldn't echo it, should everybody call Jale fat because Helen did a thousand times? Her opinions are the absolute worst ones to emulate. If somebody echos them and then goes to great lengths of insult to justify them about Ashleigh, that's incredibly disrespectful.



I've never said she has no faults, I know what they are and some people can call them very well, some of the things you've said have been true about her... I also never said the only reason people dislike her is because of her looks, I've acknowledged the reasons some genuinely don't and they have every right to think those things. A portion of people who dislike her come across as jealous with the 'ugly spoilt brat' comments I read on here and other places about her, that's my point, and I posted my reasons as to why I believe those kind of comments come from her appearance which will mostly stem from jealousy.

arn't you being a bit hypocritical? and again i never said they should emulate that, like seriously go back and read my reply because i didnt say that at all. others could make the same claim about other posters on here which was my main point. i dont like steven but i refrain from remarking on his appearence. coming across and actually being jealous are two different things which AGAIN was my original point. when people say they dont like her because they dont like the way she was when danielle left etc posters turn round and say they are jealous etc which is what has been happening in this thread which again was my point. do i really need to keep clarifying? the people in this thread who i was referring to gave legit reason as to why they dont like her and the whole "they jealous" was brought up again. like i said this wasnt done with me when i talked about helen i noticed you nor anyone else justified that double standard. theres just a lot of ad hominen remarks being thrown around as opposed to fact. apologies for my bad spelling not a strong point. edited to make clearer...hopefully?

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Originally Posted by Miranda123

I admit I have posted nasty things about her looks on here, its all banter really, she's not my cup of tea in the looks dept, though I am a female, but in my opinion she looks like a spotty child so cant really comment on a childs looks

However, she is a vindictive little bitch, who was immediately drawn to the nastiest people in the house, pauline & Toya, and Matthew (who thought he was better than everyone) so that tells me a lot about her, if youre attracted to the sh.t in the pile, then theres a good chance, you are sh.t yourself, I thought that at the beginning (sorry, week 4, when I first realised Ashleigh was there at all) and my opinion has not changed, in fact her bitchy nasty behaviour has been consistent

Helen was also good buddies with Pauline, Toya and Matthew until Toya and Matthew dumped her

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Originally Posted by Miranda123

I admit I have posted nasty things about her looks on here, its all banter really, she's not my cup of tea in the looks dept, though I am a female, but in my opinion she looks like a spotty child so cant really comment on a childs looks

However, she is a vindictive little bitch, who was immediately drawn to the nastiest people in the house, pauline & Toya, and Matthew (who thought he was better than everyone) so that tells me a lot about her, if youre attracted to the sh.t in the pile, then theres a good chance, you are sh.t yourself, I thought that at the beginning (sorry, week 4, when I first realised Ashleigh was there at all) and my opinion has not changed, in fact her bitchy nasty behaviour has been consistent

Valid as your points may be, she is still better than Helen in every possible way.

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Originally Posted by LiamPRW

There's literally no arguing with Ashleigh fans, i as a Helen supporter can see why people dislike her, but apparently Ashleigh can do no wrong whatsoever and the only reason people dislike her is directly linked to her appearance, that's a ridiculous statement, i'm pretty sure there are a few far better looking women out there who dislike Ashleigh, so whats their excuse for disliking her?

pretty much. i'm pretty sure i said that too but again its gone over peoples heads but you did put it more concise so maybe thats why its better than how i put it lol. For some reason others dont seem to understand this at all.