[mizzmee]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But she's "upfront and honest" though so alls ok, eh?

No, I am totally opposed to Helen's behaviour and believe the up front and honest crap is a great excuse to bully and intimidate.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by mizzmee

No, I am totally opposed to Helen's behaviour and believe the up front and honest crap is a great excuse to bully and intimidate.

I was being sarcastic

[mizzmee]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was being sarcastic

Sorry!!!!

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Helen is definitely a bully particularly if she doesn't get her own way.

[Fendertele]

Originally Posted by muchadoaboutnothing

Helen is definitely a bully particularly if she doesn't get her own way.

I agree, Helen likes it her way, and cannot conceive that there is any other way than Helen's, and there lies her problem, the fact that she is right even when she is clearly wrong, then her frustration of defending herself over what-ever, becomes a personal battle with who-ever has a different opinion....it goes 'round and 'round, and she never gets off the roundabout...She is trapped with-in herself...

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by Fendertele

I agree, Helen likes it her way, and cannot conceive that there is any other way than Helen's, and there lies her problem, the fact that she is right even when she is clearly wrong, then her frustration of defending herself over what-ever, becomes a personal battle with who-ever has a different opinion....it goes 'round and 'round, and she never gets off the roundabout...She is trapped with-in herself...

Very good analysis, and I agree 100%.

One other thing I'd add to the discussion is that she seriously needs to try and understand what the phrase, "slagging me/you/us off," actually means. Just because people she doesn't like talk about her, and even point out her flaws, it doesn't always equate to slagging her off. But what she tends to do is hear people discussing her, not actually listening to what they are saying, and then proclaim, "They're slagging me off!!"

I've said it before and I'll say it her again, her "journey" will begin when she leaves the house and sees how her behaviour is perceived by others. Then if she starts taking steps to fix her broken personality, that will be the start of her real journey.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

Very good analysis, and I agree 100%.

One other thing I'd add to the discussion is that she seriously needs to try and understand what the phrase, "slagging me/you/us off," actually means. Just because people she doesn't like talk about her, and even point out her flaws, it doesn't always equate to slagging her off. But what she tends to do is hear people discussing her, not actually listening to what they are saying, and then proclaim, "They're slagging me off!!"

I've said it before and I'll say it her again, her "journey" will begin when she leaves the house and sees how her behaviour is perceived by others. Then if she starts taking steps to fix her broken personality, that will be the start of her real journey.

The difference in how she reacted to Ashleigh saying she was the most difficult to live with and how Chris reacted to Pav naming him was very telling. You could see how Chris was really listening to what Pav was saying and taking it on board, not getting angry

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The difference in how she reacted to Ashleigh saying she was the most difficult to live with and how Chris reacted to Pav naming him was very telling. You could see how Chris was really listening to what Pav was saying and taking it on board, not getting angry

Exactly, that scene just made my love for Chris and dislike for Helen grow stronger!

Also, in a DR scene the other day (maybe when Ash and Christopher were in control?) Chris said he regretted how he treated the newbies when they entered. He recognised that he had been pretty dickish to them all, especially Pav. On the other hand, in a clip coming up where Helen has had media training, Helen was asked if she regrets anything in the house, and she says only being skeptical about Zoe, but she dislikes everyone else she's been mean to so doesn't care Lost cause...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Exactly, that scene just made my love for Chris and dislike for Helen grow stronger!

Also, in a DR scene the other day (maybe when Ash and Christopher were in control?) Chris said he regretted how he treated the newbies when they entered. He recognised that he had been pretty dickish to them all, especially Pav. On the other hand, in a clip coming up where Helen has had media training, Helen was asked if she regrets anything in the house, and she says only being skeptical about Zoe, but she dislikes everyone else she's been mean to so doesn't care Lost cause...

Yup.

I'd actually be really happy if Chris won as well you know, it's great that I actually have 3 HMs in the final that have been my favourites from very early on

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yup.

I'd actually be really happy if Chris won as well you know, it's great that I actually have 3 HMs in the final that have been my favourites from very early on

Me too! I knew I liked Chris and Christopher from their VTs and they haven't disappointed me. I have been on and off with Ashleigh all season but she's always been my favourite girl and has some really strong points about her. Not too shabby a final 6 for me really.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Me too! I knew I liked Chris and Christopher from their VTs and they haven't disappointed me. I have been on and off with Ashleigh all season but she's always been my favourite girl and has some really strong points about her. Not too shabby a final 6 for me really.

Yeah Chris and Christopher were my original favourites, I started liking Ashleigh a little later, when they started showing her more really

[Kizzy]

Chris loves helens spirit and is aware she is incredibly vulnerable just under the surface, she did see emotion as weakness but I think that's changed so she has grown.

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The difference in how she reacted to Ashleigh saying she was the most difficult to live with and how Chris reacted to Pav naming him was very telling. You could see how Chris was really listening to what Pav was saying and taking it on board, not getting angry

Chris is a down-to-earth, mature, reasonable adult.

Helen is an emotional train-wreck.

They're miles apart, and that's why if I had to choose a winner out of the two them it would be no contest. Chris deserves it for the way he has handled himself in the house, whereas Helen seriously needs some help. If she actually won it, I think it would be more damaging for her in the long run because she'd probably take it as meaning that people actually approved of her actions in the house.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

Chris is a down-to-earth, mature, reasonable adult.

Helen is an emotional train-wreck.

They're miles apart, and that's why if I had to choose a winner out of the two them it would be no contest. Chris deserves it for the way he has handled himself in the house, whereas Helen seriously needs some help. If she actually won it, I think it would be more damaging for her in the long run because she'd probably take it as meaning that people actually approved of her actions in the house.

Yeah, she already has Ash basically telling her it's perfectly fine by laughing every time he calls her aggressive

[RockBottom]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

Chris is a down-to-earth, mature, reasonable adult.

Helen is an emotional train-wreck.

They're miles apart, and that's why if I had to choose a winner out of the two them it would be no contest. Chris deserves it for the way he has handled himself in the house, whereas Helen seriously needs some help. If she actually won it, I think it would be more damaging for her in the long run because she'd probably take it as meaning that people actually approved of her actions in the house.

Chris is down to earth, really

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by RockBottom

Chris is down to earth, really

For me, yes.

Compared with the rest of the HMs, absolutely. And I think that if I had to meet all of them, he'd be the one that would annoy me the least.

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, she already has Ash basically telling her it's perfectly fine by laughing every time he calls her aggressive

I hope Ash doesn't abandon her when it's all over. She will need a lot of support in the future and Ash has, perhaps without realizing it, kind of nominated himself to be there for her when the sh!t hits the fan post-BB.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

I hope Ash doesn't abandon her when it's all over. She will need a lot of support in the future and Ash has, perhaps without realizing it, kind of nominated himself to be there for her when the sh!t hits the fan post-BB.

I don't know if he will, he seems like a pretty laid back guy, i don't think he'd enjoy the kind of drama that follows Helen around in the real world

[Northern Monkey]

Helen and Ashleigh will both see attributes in themselves that they don't like when they watch back and may even say to themselves 'right i'm not gonna be like that anymore' or 'i'm gonna listen more' but then they will forget all that,Party hard and carry on as normal because changing their whole character is a big ask for anyone.

[Patricia4]

Ash will be gone they wont stay friends for long.
Helen like's a audience and like's to be the centre of attention if she isn't she then turns like the tide I think deep down she does have a soft spot but you need to dig very very deep.

[Yaki da]

She won't grow, partly because people just forgive and forget as though everything she did never happened.