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kirklancaster · 14-09-2014, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I actually have some sympathy for them. I think they believed the cause was just when they left to fight against Assad in Syria. Then the Iraq situation with IS reared its head, the game changed completely and they realised it wasn't a fight they wanted to be a part of. I think that, under certain constraints and after a full debriefing, they would be incredibly useful and dissuading young British Muslims from joining this conflict.

I have always loved your posts Livia and been in 99% agreement, but here I believe you are wrong. I believe even with the most comprehensive of debriefings and the most rigorous of constraints, their re-admittance would be as useful to us as the Wooden Horse was to the Trojans.

I also do not buy their plea to be allowed home or their reasons, because if they were genuine, they would have been too scared to voice them, would have been prevented from doing so, and most certainly put to death.

Livia · 15-09-2014, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I have always loved your posts Livia and been in 99% agreement, but here I believe you are wrong. I believe even with the most comprehensive of debriefings and the most rigorous of constraints, their re-admittance would be as useful to us as the Wooden Horse was to the Trojans.

I also do not buy their plea to be allowed home or their reasons, because if they were genuine, they would have been too scared to voice them, would have been prevented from doing so, and most certainly put to death.

Thanks Kirk... I like your posts too. Some of the people on here I enjoy talking to the most are those I agree with the least.

The war in Iraq is a very different animal to the war in Syria. I can, to a certain extent, understand young Muslims going to fight in Syria, thinking with their heart instead of their head... then getting dragged into the ****ing mayhem that Iraq has turned into.

If our security services believe that they can handle the repatriation of these young men, I believe we should trust their judgment in this. We cannot take away their citizenship, it's against international law... so we use them to our advantage. They will never be trusted 100%, but you know what they say about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.

kirklancaster · 16-09-2014, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Thanks Kirk... I like your posts too. Some of the people on here I enjoy talking to the most are those I agree with the least.

The war in Iraq is a very different animal to the war in Syria. I can, to a certain extent, understand young Muslims going to fight in Syria, thinking with their heart instead of their head... then getting dragged into the ****ing mayhem that Iraq has turned into.

If our security services believe that they can handle the repatriation of these young men, I believe we should trust their judgment in this. We cannot take away their citizenship, it's against international law... so we use them to our advantage. They will never be trusted 100%, but you know what they say about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.

Valid point. My problem is that - historically - 'our security forces' have proved wholly inept, so could they 'handle' their repatriation? Or will these 'prodigals' - like so many thousands of others before them - simply abscond and disappear once here?

Livia · 16-09-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Valid point. My problem is that - historically - 'our security forces' have proved wholly inept, so could they 'handle' their repatriation? Or will these 'prodigals' - like so many thousands of others before them - simply abscond and disappear once here?

How have our security services proved wholly inept? You have no idea the number of times those people save this country during the course of a year. I'm not talking about the Immigration Service.

kirklancaster · 16-09-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

How have our security services proved wholly inept? You have no idea the number of times those people save this country during the course of a year. I'm not talking about the Immigration Service.

Sorry - I should have said; Intelligence Services not Security, and I am talking historically.

I'm just glad - in these insane times - that we have a Security Service and wish they'd increase their budget a hundredfold.

kirklancaster · 16-09-2014, 11:29 AM

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How have our security services proved wholly inept? You have no idea the number of times those people save this country during the course of a year. I'm not talking about the Immigration Service.

You have me intrigued - do you work in this field? Don't answer if it compromises you.