[rubymoo]

The Times is saying that radicalized young British jihadists are wanting to come home, they are disillusioned with the fighting in Syria and are begging to be allowed back home.

They have said that they fear lengthy prison sentences, and are willing to go under surveillance and go on a programme to be deradicalized.

Thoughts?

[andybigbro]

No. It's probably one of their plans.

Keep them away for the safety of an entire nation.

[MTVN]

I did read an article recently which brought up something I hadn't really thought of, about how IS glamourise their cause and their lifestyle to persuade those easily led into fighting for them, I can imagine that some who end up fighting find the reality completely different to how they'd thought it would be and if you come from a country like the UK it must be pretty messed up to be thrown into a war zone where beheadings, mass executions etc. are the daily norm. Some probably do end up disillusioned and traumatised.

That said they made their choice and should have to live with it, I don't think they can ever be forgiven and should never be allowed back.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

No. It's probably one of their plans.

Keep them away for the safety of an entire nation.

I completely agree!

They made their decision as adults, they must now accept the consequences, i do not want them in this country

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I did read an article recently which brought up something I hadn't really thought of, about how IS glamourise their cause and their lifestyle to persuade those easily led into fighting for them, I can imagine that some who end up fighting find the reality completely different to how they'd thought it would be and if you come from a country like the UK it must be pretty messed up to be thrown into a war zone where beheadings, mass executions etc. are the daily norm. Some probably do end up disillusioned and traumatised.

That said they made their choice and should have to live with it, I don't think they can ever be forgiven and should never be allowed back.

It said a long the lines of they fear they won't achieve martyrdom and go on to live in paradise, because they've ended up fighting rebels, and this isn't their cause.

I hope Cameron doesn't allow them back in on the sense that they need to be tried in court, i read there's about 30 of them wanting to come back.

[Nedusa]

Send them to Guantanamo Bay, after all they are enemy combatants.





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[Kizzy]

This really is a hard one they are British citizens too, having them to examine might be beneficial to better understand how they are radicalised.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Send them to Guantanamo Bay, after all they are enemy combatants.





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I agree with this! They can then question them there!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This really is a hard one they are British citizens too, having them to examine might be beneficial to better understand how they are radicalised.

whats there problem are they missing pizza and hollyoaks?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

The Times is saying that radicalized young British jihadists are wanting to come home, they are disillusioned with the fighting in Syria and are begging to be allowed back home.

They have said that they fear lengthy prison sentences, and are willing to go under surveillance and go on a programme to be deradicalized.

Thoughts?

Who'd have thought throwing the towel in with terrorists would destroy any chance of going back to your old life. They made their choice.

[T*]

No, they made a decision and they should stick with it, not come crawling back over here.

[Northern Monkey]

Let them rot in Guantanamo and get waterboarded and sleep depravation for the rest of their lives.They chose terrorism,Let them suffer the consequences.Not only that but it would be dangerous to let them in here.

[lostalex]

The UK government should release their names and pictures so that we can see their ISIS brothers behead them for being traitors. They are now traitors twice over. They deserve it. Let ISIS deal with these double crossing terrorists. at least they are good for something, killing traitors.

[JoshBB]

Erm, no. You can't ask to be 'unradicalised'. You're obviously a terrible person if you believe that what they're doing is right and you honestly would not be making such request.

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

After trawling through the Yale archives, the team gained access to the feedback that 659 of the 800 volunteers provided at the end of the experiment, when the set-up had been revealed.

Far from being distressed by the experience, the researchers found that most volunteers said they were very happy to have participated.

Professor Haslam said: “It appears from this feedback that the main reason participants weren’t distressed is that they did not think they had done anything wrong. This was largely due to Milgram’s ability to convince them that they had made an important contribution to science.”

“This provides new insight into the psychology of oppression and gels with other evidence that perpetrators are generally motivated, not by a desire to do evil, but by a sense that what they are doing is worthy and noble.”

This seems to be what I feel radicalisation is, a message driven that these young people are doing something that is 'for the greater good' and not driven by evil even though that is how we see it.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...s-9712600.html

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

After trawling through the Yale archives, the team gained access to the feedback that 659 of the 800 volunteers provided at the end of the experiment, when the set-up had been revealed.

Far from being distressed by the experience, the researchers found that most volunteers said they were very happy to have participated.

Professor Haslam said: “It appears from this feedback that the main reason participants weren’t distressed is that they did not think they had done anything wrong. This was largely due to Milgram’s ability to convince them that they had made an important contribution to science.”

“This provides new insight into the psychology of oppression and gels with other evidence that perpetrators are generally motivated, not by a desire to do evil, but by a sense that what they are doing is worthy and noble.”

This seems to be what I feel radicalisation is, a message driven that these young people are doing something that is 'for the greater good' and not driven by evil even though that is how we see it.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...s-9712600.html

driving hateful messages into people is evil in and of itself though, so i don't understand your conclusion. how is it not hateful? just because the people involved don't think it was hateful? Do you think Hitler thought what he was doing was hateful? no, he thought he was making the world a better place too. so how can you say it;s not hateful just because most people involved didn't think it was hateful?

[lostalex]

Charles Manson never actually killed anyone, but he's still evil. the vast majority of people are stupid (just look at this forum) which is why it's so evil to manipulate stupid people into doing evil things.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Charles Manson never actually killed anyone, but he's still evil. the vast majority of people are stupid (just look at this forum) which is why it's so evil to manipulate stupid people into doing evil things.

That's it... It's the evil people manipulating the suggestible into these evil acts.
If there really is 72 virgins waiting for these suicide bombers why aren't the teachers of this extremism grabbing them for themselves?..

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's it... It's the evil people manipulating the suggestible into these evil acts.
If there really is 72 virgins waiting for these suicide bombers why aren't the teachers of this extremism grabbing them for themselves?..

why do they think it's okay for young men to think it's okay or a reward to get to rape 72 virgins to begin with? the fact that getting to rape 72 young girls is a REWARD is upsetting as it is, even without the terrorism that goes along with it. as if young virgin girls are just things that they get to **** and use as sexual playthings. no mention at all of who these 72 virgins are as people. because women aren't people in Islam. they are just possessions for men.

[Kizzy]

Well yes I agree, but that's a whole other debate I guess :/

[Amy Jade]

I really hope they are not let back into the UK, they chose their path and frankly it could all be a lie to get back into the country to cause all kinds of havoc.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Send them to Guantanamo Bay, after all they are enemy combatants.





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This. 100%

[Livia]

I actually have some sympathy for them. I think they believed the cause was just when they left to fight against Assad in Syria. Then the Iraq situation with IS reared its head, the game changed completely and they realised it wasn't a fight they wanted to be a part of. I think that, under certain constraints and after a full debriefing, they would be incredibly useful at dissuading young British Muslims from joining this conflict.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

I actually have some sympathy for them. I think they believed the cause was just when they left to fight against Assad in Syria. Then the Iraq situation with IS reared its head, the game changed completely and they realised it wasn't a fight they wanted to be a part of. I think that, under certain constraints and after a full debriefing, they would be incredibly useful and dissuading young British Muslims from joining this conflict.

I have always loved your posts Livia and been in 99% agreement, but here I believe you are wrong. I believe even with the most comprehensive of debriefings and the most rigorous of constraints, their re-admittance would be as useful to us as the Wooden Horse was to the Trojans.

I also do not buy their plea to be allowed home or their reasons, because if they were genuine, they would have been too scared to voice them, would have been prevented from doing so, and most certainly put to death.