[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Brave man in the face of imminent death.

And I wish the media wouldn't refer to his slaughter as 'he was killed'.

NO! He was MURDERED.

RIP.

This so annoys me too,when they say 'killed' or they were 'executed'.

They are being murdered in a brutal and barbaric way,premeditated murder too.

It really makes me feel sick thinking about it all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This so annoys me too,when they say 'killed' or they were 'executed'.

They are being murdered in a brutal and barbaric way,premeditated murder too.

It really makes me feel sick thinking about it all.

This is a tough one really. You can't dispute that the killings are needless and barbaric, but they are "war kills", so to speak... And whilst I think there's a very good case for describing any deliberate killing as a murder, you can't pick and choose. You would have to brand our own soldiers and pilots murderers too. Murder is the action and not dependant on the method or how brutal the death is.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is a tough one really. You can't dispute that the killings are needless and barbaric, but they are "war kills", so to speak... And whilst I think there's a very good case for describing any deliberate killing as a murder, you can't pick and choose. You would have to brand our own soldiers and pilots murderers too. Murder is the action and not dependant on the method or how brutal the death is.

I have read some really excellent posts from you TS but I cannot agree here.

'Collateral Damage' during any military offensive is always sad, but it is an unintentional and unavoidable consequence of war. These acts of atrocity are not 'war kills' and have nothing to do with war, and neither are they unintentional. They are the senseless, deliberate evil be-headings of innocent non-combatants by vile cowardly terrorists.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I have read some really excellent posts from you TS but I cannot agree here.

'Collateral Damage' during any military offensive is always sad, but it is an unintentional and unavoidable consequence of war. These acts of atrocity are not 'war kills' and have nothing to do with war, and neither are they unintentional. They are the senseless, deliberate evil be-headings of innocent non-combatants by vile cowardly terrorists.

It's semantics really but murder is a legal definition of an unlawful killing (meaning it must be against the established law of the locale it's committed in). It's likely that these killings occur in ISIS controlled areas and therefore not technically "illegal".

But like I said, it's semantics, I don't really think that calling it "murder" makes it any more or less abhorrent... It's just a word. Just like calling a convicted murderer here a "killer" has no real bearing on their actual crimes or their severity.


As for your longer post - whilst I completely understand your anger and the sentiment - I have to disagree with your assertion that the right course of action is to carpet-bomb these areas out of existence with no regard for collateral damage. It would be disastrous, and it would not stop them, it would only make the beast stronger. That sort of action in that region, the family homes destroyed and dead children, will only serve to make people more easily radicalised and recruited into organisations like ISIS. These people do not have a country, they do not have a Base or headquarters, or one leader at the top that you can kill and say it's over (Bin Laden? That worked out well...)

There is nothing to wipe out. They will only arise somewhere else under a different names, with more jihadists than before, and more barbaric than ever. Unless you advocate burning the entire middle east, going in all guns blazing will only cause this to escalate. It will never end.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This so annoys me too,when they say 'killed' or they were 'executed'.

They are being murdered in a brutal and barbaric way,premeditated murder too.

It really makes me feel sick thinking about it all.

its because still after everything that's happened, you still have to remain 'politically correct'

funny how no one calls them terrorists