[lostalex]

If i ever become a hostage by muslims, I will tell America to nuke the entire middle east in my video.

[Ammi]

..I don't know, I couldn't possibly know but there are no personal messages and maybe feels like there is nothing of themselves left..it's just so sad and too evil..the pain his family must be feeling right now is inconceivable...to have someone you love, killed in such a way/as a 'message', like he was nothing...

[lostalex]

I think we should consider all hostages dead already, as soon as they are captured, we should just consider them dead. So far that is the case. No matter how much they cooperate, they still get a knife jabbed into their neck and their heads lobbed off. Trying to pacify or negotiate with these monsters is like a kitten playing with an alligator. The alligator might be amused for a while, but it's still gonna bite your ****ing head off in the end.

Let's also note that all of these hostages went into the war zones knowing the risks. They were idealist idiots who thought they could "help". I'm not blaming the victim, the muslims that did this will always be to blame. but it really is like Lady Gaga wearing the meat dress going swimming with sharks in Australia.

[Ammi]

....it's not nearly the same thing though, Alex...I mean the shark thing..?..that wouldn't be for the purpose of any value..?..who would that be helping for someone to do that....but yeah, there are always risks and they would know that but they chose to take those risks which not many people would do...maybe they are 'idealists' but they're extraordinarily selfless people who sadly have met the extreme of their characters...people who will rip the life from their bodies without one blink of compassion..the collision of good and evil...

[Gusto Brunt]

Brave man in the face of imminent death.

And I wish the media wouldn't refer to his slaughter as 'he was killed'.

NO! He was MURDERED.

RIP.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Brave man in the face of imminent death.

And I wish the media wouldn't refer to his slaughter as 'he was killed'.

NO! He was MURDERED.

RIP.

This so annoys me too,when they say 'killed' or they were 'executed'.

They are being murdered in a brutal and barbaric way,premeditated murder too.

It really makes me feel sick thinking about it all.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....it's not nearly the same thing though, Alex...I mean the shark thing..?..that wouldn't be for the purpose of any value..?..who would that be helping for someone to do that....but yeah, there are always risks and they would know that but they chose to take those risks which not many people would do...maybe they are 'idealists' but they're extraordinarily selfless people who sadly have met the extreme of their characters...people who will rip the life from their bodies without one blink of compassion..the collision of good and evil...

I don't think they are selfless, they were looking for an adventure, something to write a book about, and they got more than they bargained for. They imagined themselves as new ernest hemingways. idiots.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Brave man in the face of imminent death.

And I wish the media wouldn't refer to his slaughter as 'he was killed'.

NO! He was MURDERED.

RIP.

well what do you expect when we live in a world where even oscar pistorious who murdered his girlfriend in cold blood isn't even considered a murderer.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't think they are selfless, they were looking for an adventure, something to write a book about, and they got more than they bargained for. They imagined themselves as new ernest hemingways. idiots.

I'm really torn on this one, and whilst I feel great sadness that he has died in this way, he has left behind kids the same age as mine, I wonder what drove him to leave his family at Christmas and risk his life in this way and put his family through hell, he crossed into Syria from Turkey against advice not to, I feel really sorry for his family and a bit angry at him for putting them though this, how will they ever get over this ?

[thesheriff443]

with I,S, the hostages are as good as dead!
it would serve no purpose to let one man go free after they have already killed previous hostages.

beheading as been going on since the beginning of time and the Japanese where beheading Americans in world war two.

the war with is, will go on for years.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This so annoys me too,when they say 'killed' or they were 'executed'.

They are being murdered in a brutal and barbaric way,premeditated murder too.

It really makes me feel sick thinking about it all.

This is a tough one really. You can't dispute that the killings are needless and barbaric, but they are "war kills", so to speak... And whilst I think there's a very good case for describing any deliberate killing as a murder, you can't pick and choose. You would have to brand our own soldiers and pilots murderers too. Murder is the action and not dependant on the method or how brutal the death is.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

with I,S, the hostages are as good as dead!
it would serve no purpose to let one man go free after they have already killed previous hostages.

beheading as been going on since the beginning of time and the Japanese where beheading Americans in world war two.

the war with is, will go on for years.

that's right. and we don;'t have to fight fire with fire anymore, with drones we can fight fire with water. i support bombing the **** out of them with no risk to our troops. We must fight fire with water.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

surely these hostages must know they are going to die, so i don't understand why they cooperate with these terrorists and repeat their propaganda for them.

If we ever catch these guys we should behead them with a rusty dull saw instead of a sharp knife.

I don't believe that anyone can say with any certainty, just what they would do or say in the appalling circumstances which 'these hostages' have found themselves in - no matter how courageous one may believe he is.

Perhaps, the vile, inhuman bastards who are responsible, had promised poor Alan Henning that they would release him if he 'cooperated', who knows?

I only know one thing for certain; and that is that Alan Henning was a far more courageous person than the s**t ****** coward known as 'Jihadi John' could ever be.

In this one barbaric act alone, we have the underlying truth about this phoney 'war', for the all the world to see, it is not a 'Holy War', it is war waged by evil cowards against innocent victims:

On the one hand, we have Mr Henning, a kind, decent, compassionate British 47-year-old father-of-two, who - for the noblest of motives - voluntarily gave up his comfortable, safe life in this civilised, democratic and free country, leaving his family and loved ones behind in the process, to travel to a backward and dangerous, war-torn, foreign country, to carry out humanitarian works on behalf of a Muslim Charity.

Mr Henning did not assume any disguise or conceal his name or identity, and his charitable actions whilst there, were as open as his motives for being there.

Then, we have the appalling coward 'Jihadi John'. This abhorrent Muslim fanatic and everything about him, epitomises the word; 'coward':

Whether he was born in Britain is irrelevant. The facts that this pariah is no teenager and that he speaks with a 'thick London accent' substantiates that he was raised in Britain.

So here we have this 'devoted', 'devout' Muslim voluntarily giving up his comfortable, safe life in the civilised, democratic and free country, which embraced his immigrant parents and/or him, to travel to a backward and dangerous, war-torn, foreign country. For what reason? --

Unlike the selfless, compassionate Alan Henning, this evil bastard does not travel there to help fellow suffering humans. Unlike the heroic and courageous Alan Henning, this vile, yellow jackal disguise himself, hides his face, and conceals his identity.

Unlike the caring, charitable Alan Henning, there are no photos of this demented demon giving succour to innocent babies, no evidence of him bending his spineless back and investing physical labour in administering aid to victims of all faiths - Muslims included.

No - this monster has travelled there purely so that he can capitalise on the lawless conditions and freely perpetrate evil without recrimination. This beast is the ultimate COWARD. He was as evil whilst living in London as he is now, and would have perpetrated in London the same atrocities which he does now, but in Britain, we have Law and Order, and in Britain, this despicable, spineless, cowardly, dung beetle would have been caught and made to pay for his barbarism, and he is too much of a yellow bastard to risk that.

Make no mistake; this monster - and all monsters like him - are ultimate COWARDS.

Even far removed as he is from Western Law, he is so utterly TERRIFIED of being identified, that he swathes himself like an Egyptian mummy so that only his evil eyes are showing.

Is it 'heroic' to abduct a peace-loving, 47 year old father of two at gunpoint? Is it 'brave' to tower over him whilst wielding a razor sharp knife and whilst he is already subdued, outnumbered, and bound ? Is it 'valiant' to end a bound, helpless, outnumbered and innocent man's life in such a barbaric fashion? -- No, they are all acts of ultimate COWARDICE.

As I have said in another post, this monster is no 'Holy Warrior' fighting for 'Allah' or for Muslims. He is an evil, cowardly demon using the pretext of fighting for Allah and Muslims in order to be able to carry out the satanic atrocities which are his 'raison d'etre'.

Do we see any eulogies from other Muslims for 'Jihadi John''s works as we do for Alan Henning's? No, only worldwide condemnation. Because even Muslim's KNOW that these monsters who masquerade as 'Allah's Warriors' are but evil, sick sadists who are not carrying out 'God's' works, only their own.

In respect for Alan Henning, and all the other innocent victims of these cowardly fanatics, the British people - of all faiths - and the British Government, should ensure now, that their savage deaths have not been in vain. We need to learn from them and act accordingly.

The actions that need to be taken are twofold.

Seek and Destroy

We must eradicate - once and for all - these monsters. It is time for the 'Iron Fist In The Iron Glove'. Nothing but total annihilation will suffice. We must saturation bomb these bastards, destroy every last refuge where these bastard cowards can hide. Forget 'collateral damage'. It is unavoidable. Then we must send in ground troops and utilise all the technology at our disposal to 'mop up' every last one of these cockroaches.

We do not want prisoners. We should exercise a shoot to kill policy. We do not need 'Nuremberg' style bull**** trials. We need dead enemies. Enemies who cannot ever carry out such atrocities again.

After we have won the war, we must 'Win The Peace'. No matter what the financial cost is, we need to establish a military presence. No matter how long for, we must maintain that presence, not as an 'occupying army' but as 'policemen' to monitor developments, help stabilise the country. This can only work with a massive rebuilding scheme and improvements in education, healthcare etc. and with the cooperation of other Muslim countries.

Domestic Policies

At home, The time is now long overdue to face certain facts - no matter how unpalatable that prospect is. We need to re-evaluate our policies on immigration and Law and Order. *******K the EU.

We have been sending 19 year old boys to fight and die on foreign soil in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. against Islamic terrorist enemies, whilst at the same time, we are OPENLY welcoming increasing numbers of immigrants/'asylum seekers' from Muslim countries, without any real vetting process in place.

The irony here is a bitter one; the majority of these immigrants are young male Muslims - Eastern European included - who have a sneering contempt for the British and our way of life (whilst being only too willing to profit under the benefits of the same).

Hence, there is an ever expanding seedbed of Muslim males which already ensconced Muslim hate mongers can cultivate. Some percentage of these 'recruits' will have the evil disposition necessary to become fully fledged 'Jihadi Johns' once given the training and means.

Thus, while our young men are being maimed or killed whilst fighting Islam terrorists and trying to eradicate them, our Government is wholly culpable in ensuring that there are other Islam Terrorists to replace those killed.

It is particularly galling that the taxes of hard-working British people are going to these parasites in benefit, housing benefits and council tax rebates, while they gather in council houses or flats plotting the destruction of the very people whose way of life is sustaining them.

Can anyone say with certainty that 'Jihad John' was not one of the above beneficiaries of the above?

In my opinion;

We need to reduce all immigration.
Implement more rigorous immigration vetting procedures.
Revoke the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 and reinstate Capital Punishment for crimes of Treason.
Reduce the handouts to immigrants and invest the money saved by increasing our Security and Intelligence Services budgets.

No more Anjem Choudary's, Mizanur Rahman's or Abu Hamza al-Masri's - only their now harmless corpses. No more expense to the tax-payer of the cost of incarceration and lengthy B.S. trials either.

Do not worry about the risk of making 'Martyrs' by the above action - it is propaganda and a fallacy. Who among you remember Bobby Sands?

No -- I didn't think so.

I have always maintained that only 3 things can control a human being; Love, Respect and Fear.

Imagine you are 12 years old and your Father is a physically huge, but loving, kind, moral and considerate man - a good parent. Let's say he detests smoking. As you grow, you - foolishly - become a smoker. One day you go to visit your parents, have Sunday lunch, and are used to having a satisfying after dinner smoke. Your father is now old and frail and wheelchair bound. Do you light up that much needed cigarette? No, of course you don't because you love your father and respect him.

Now let's imagine the same scenario but your father was a drunken violent brute who abused you and your mother. Your father is now old and frail and wheelchair bound. Would you still shirk from lighting up that cigarette? You don't love your father. Don't respect him and no longer fear him.

If you still wouldn't light up, then that's because of your own in-built moral code - not because of of any fear of consequence.

And that is what I mean by only Love, Respect and Fear as being the only 3 factors necessary to control the human being.

This truth is only too evident in our society today. The degeneration of the 'family unit' where good parents rear their children correctly has wrought generation after generation of children who have not been taught by parents the meaning of love or respect - either by example or instruction. Couple this with increasingly higher thresholds in perception of 'unacceptable' behaviour by police, and increasingly lenient sentencing by our law courts, and it is all too easy to see why such lawlessness and anti-social behaviour is now prevalent on our streets.

Youths do not love or respect the police, because they've never been taught to, and with little or no deterrents now, they certainly do not fear them.

Which is exactly the same with these cowardly barbaric Islamic hate-mongers. They do not LOVE us, they do not RESPECT us, and they do not FEAR us.

We can NEVER teach them to love or respect us, so these vile bastards MUST be made to FEAR us. There simply is no other way. They have to fear the CONSEQUENCES of their vile actions

They spout their treasonous bile because this is a democratic and free country where Free Speech is but only one of the liberties we are blessed with, yet would they be as brave or quick to speak if the mandatory sentence for such treason was death?

I'm sorry for the length of this post, but I make no apology for its content - no matter how extreme some may find it. I was moved to tears this morning reading about poor Alan Henning, as I have been recently by the Jamie Bulger documentary, and a couple of other matters, and I am both sickened and incensed by it all.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is a tough one really. You can't dispute that the killings are needless and barbaric, but they are "war kills", so to speak... And whilst I think there's a very good case for describing any deliberate killing as a murder, you can't pick and choose. You would have to brand our own soldiers and pilots murderers too. Murder is the action and not dependant on the method or how brutal the death is.

I have read some really excellent posts from you TS but I cannot agree here.

'Collateral Damage' during any military offensive is always sad, but it is an unintentional and unavoidable consequence of war. These acts of atrocity are not 'war kills' and have nothing to do with war, and neither are they unintentional. They are the senseless, deliberate evil be-headings of innocent non-combatants by vile cowardly terrorists.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I don't believe that anyone can say with any certainty, just what they would do or say in the appalling circumstances which 'these hostages' have found themselves in - no matter how courageous one may believe he is.

Perhaps, the vile, inhuman bastards who are responsible, had promised poor Alan Henning that they would release him if he 'cooperated', who knows?

I only know one thing for certain; and that is that Alan Henning was a far more courageous person than the s**t ****** coward known as 'Jihadi John' could ever be.

In this one barbaric act alone, we have the underlying truth about this phoney 'war', for the all the world to see, it is not a 'Holy War', it is war waged by evil cowards against innocent victims:

On the one hand, we have Mr Henning, a kind, decent, compassionate British 47-year-old father-of-two, who - for the noblest of motives - voluntarily gave up his comfortable, safe life in this civilised, democratic and free country, leaving his family and loved ones behind in the process, to travel to a backward and dangerous, war-torn, foreign country, to carry out humanitarian works on behalf of a Muslim Charity.

Mr Henning did not assume any disguise or conceal his name or identity, and his charitable actions whilst there, were as open as his motives for being there.

Then, we have the appalling coward 'Jihadi John'. This abhorrent Muslim fanatic and everything about him, epitomises the word; 'coward':

Whether he was born in Britain is irrelevant. The facts that this pariah is no teenager and that he speaks with a 'thick London accent' substantiates that he was raised in Britain.

So here we have this 'devoted', 'devout' Muslim voluntarily giving up his comfortable, safe life in the civilised, democratic and free country, which embraced his immigrant parents and/or him, to travel to a backward and dangerous, war-torn, foreign country. For what reason? --

Unlike the selfless, compassionate Alan Henning, this evil bastard does not travel there to help fellow suffering humans. Unlike the heroic and courageous Alan Henning, this vile, yellow jackal disguise himself, hides his face, and conceals his identity.

Unlike the caring, charitable Alan Henning, there are no photos of this demented demon giving succour to innocent babies, no evidence of him bending his spineless back and investing physical labour in administering aid to victims of all faiths - Muslims included.

No - this monster has travelled there purely so that he can capitalise on the lawless conditions and freely perpetrate evil without recrimination. This beast is the ultimate COWARD. He was as evil whilst living in London as he is now, and would have perpetrated in London the same atrocities which he does now, but in Britain, we have Law and Order, and in Britain, this despicable, spineless, cowardly, dung beetle would have been caught and made to pay for his barbarism, and he is too much of a yellow bastard to risk that.

Make no mistake; this monster - and all monsters like him - are ultimate COWARDS.

Even far removed as he is from Western Law, he is so utterly TERRIFIED of being identified, that he swathes himself like an Egyptian mummy so that only his evil eyes are showing.

Is it 'heroic' to abduct a peace-loving, 47 year old father of two at gunpoint? Is it 'brave' to tower over him whilst wielding a razor sharp knife and whilst he is already subdued, outnumbered, and bound ? Is it 'valiant' to end a bound, helpless, outnumbered and innocent man's life in such a barbaric fashion? -- No, they are all acts of ultimate COWARDICE.

As I have said in another post, this monster is no 'Holy Warrior' fighting for 'Allah' or for Muslims. He is an evil, cowardly demon using the pretext of fighting for Allah and Muslims in order to be able to carry out the satanic atrocities which are his 'raison d'etre'.

Do we see any eulogies from other Muslims for 'Jihadi John''s works as we do for Alan Henning's? No, only worldwide condemnation. Because even Muslim's KNOW that these monsters who masquerade as 'Allah's Warriors' are but evil, sick sadists who are not carrying out 'God's' works, only their own.

In respect for Alan Henning, and all the other innocent victims of these cowardly fanatics, the British people - of all faiths - and the British Government, should ensure now, that their savage deaths have not been in vain. We need to learn from them and act accordingly.

The actions that need to be taken are twofold.

Seek and Destroy

We must eradicate - once and for all - these monsters. It is time for the 'Iron Fist In The Iron Glove'. Nothing but total annihilation will suffice. We must saturation bomb these bastards, destroy every last refuge where these bastard cowards can hide. Forget 'collateral damage'. It is unavoidable. Then we must send in ground troops and utilise all the technology at our disposal to 'mop up' every last one of these cockroaches.

We do not want prisoners. We should exercise a shoot to kill policy. We do not need 'Nuremberg' style bull**** trials. We need dead enemies. Enemies who cannot ever carry out such atrocities again.

After we have won the war, we must 'Win The Peace'. No matter what the financial cost is, we need to establish a military presence. No matter how long for, we must maintain that presence, not as an 'occupying army' but as 'policemen' to monitor developments, help stabilise the country. This can only work with a massive rebuilding scheme and improvements in education, healthcare etc. and with the cooperation of other Muslim countries.

Domestic Policies

At home, The time is now long overdue to face certain facts - no matter how unpalatable that prospect is. We need to re-evaluate our policies on immigration and Law and Order. *******K the EU.

We have been sending 19 year old boys to fight and die on foreign soil in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. against Islamic terrorist enemies, whilst at the same time, we are OPENLY welcoming increasing numbers of immigrants/'asylum seekers' from Muslim countries, without any real vetting process in place.

The irony here is a bitter one; the majority of these immigrants are young male Muslims - Eastern European included - who have a sneering contempt for the British and our way of life (whilst being only too willing to profit under the benefits of the same).

Hence, there is an ever expanding seedbed of Muslim males which already ensconced Muslim hate mongers can cultivate. Some percentage of these 'recruits' will have the evil disposition necessary to become fully fledged 'Jihadi Johns' once given the training and means.

Thus, while our young men are being maimed or killed whilst fighting Islam terrorists and trying to eradicate them, our Government is wholly culpable in ensuring that there are other Islam Terrorists to replace those killed.

It is particularly galling that the taxes of hard-working British people are going to these parasites in benefit, housing benefits and council tax rebates, while they gather in council houses or flats plotting the destruction of the very people whose way of life is sustaining them.

Can anyone say with certainty that 'Jihad John' was not one of the above beneficiaries of the above?

In my opinion;

We need to reduce all immigration.
Implement more rigorous immigration vetting procedures.
Revoke the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 and reinstate Capital Punishment for crimes of Treason.
Reduce the handouts to immigrants and invest the money saved by increasing our Security and Intelligence Services budgets.

No more Anjem Choudary's, Mizanur Rahman's or Abu Hamza al-Masri's - only their now harmless corpses. No more expense to the tax-payer of the cost of incarceration and lengthy B.S. trials either.

Do not worry about the risk of making 'Martyrs' by the above action - it is propaganda and a fallacy. Who among you remember Bobby Sands?

No -- I didn't think so.

I have always maintained that only 3 things can control a human being; Love, Respect and Fear.

Imagine you are 12 years old and your Father is a physically huge, but loving, kind, moral and considerate man - a good parent. Let's say he detests smoking. As you grow, you - foolishly - become a smoker. One day you go to visit your parents, have Sunday lunch, and are used to having a satisfying after dinner smoke. Your father is now old and frail and wheelchair bound. Do you light up that much needed cigarette? No, of course you don't because you love your father and respect him.

Now let's imagine the same scenario but your father was a drunken violent brute who abused you and your mother. Your father is now old and frail and wheelchair bound. Would you still shirk from lighting up that cigarette? You don't love your father. Don't respect him and no longer fear him.

If you still wouldn't light up, then that's because of your own in-built moral code - not because of of any fear of consequence.

And that is what I mean by only Love, Respect and Fear as being the only 3 factors necessary to control the human being.

This truth is only too evident in our society today. The degeneration of the 'family unit' where good parents rear their children correctly has wrought generation after generation of children who have not been taught by parents the meaning of love or respect - either by example or instruction. Couple this with increasingly higher thresholds in perception of 'unacceptable' behaviour by police, and increasingly lenient sentencing by our law courts, and it is all too easy to see why such lawlessness and anti-social behaviour is now prevalent on our streets.

Youths do not love or respect the police, because they've never been taught to, and with little or no deterrents now, they certainly do not fear them.

Which is exactly the same with these cowardly barbaric Islamic hate-mongers. They do not LOVE us, they do not RESPECT us, and they do not FEAR us.

We can NEVER teach them to love or respect us, so these vile bastards MUST be made to FEAR us. There simply is no other way. They have to fear the CONSEQUENCES of their vile actions

They spout their treasonous bile because this is a democratic and free country where Free Speech is but only one of the liberties we are blessed with, yet would they be as brave or quick to speak if the mandatory sentence for such treason was death?

I'm sorry for the length of this post, but I make no apology for its content - no matter how extreme some may find it. I was moved to tears this morning reading about poor Alan Henning, as I have been recently by the Jamie Bulger documentary, and a couple of other matters, and I am both sickened and incensed by it all.

Fantastic post as usual.

[rubymoo]

They need to stop the families pleaing for the hostages release, they have no empathy or sympathy, they are not kind or caring, they have no morals, they feel no humanity towards the hostages, the pleas are just falling on deaf ears, and they're probably laughing at the British for reducing themselves to begging, one poster said that the hostages are as good as dead once captured, and this is true, we now need to blow these bastards into oblivion.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This so annoys me too,when they say 'killed' or they were 'executed'.

They are being murdered in a brutal and barbaric way,premeditated murder too.

It really makes me feel sick thinking about it all.

its because still after everything that's happened, you still have to remain 'politically correct'

funny how no one calls them terrorists

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't think they are selfless, they were looking for an adventure, something to write a book about, and they got more than they bargained for. They imagined themselves as new ernest hemingways. idiots.

Lostalex - save your cynical bile for the vile bastards who committed these despicable evil atrocities. There really is no need to disrespect the poor innocent victims. They weren't idiots, nor 'wannabe' Ernest Hemingways - they were decent, compassionate human beings who should put the rest of us to shame that we sit back and do nothing, or contribute money to salve our consciences when we see the innocents suffering, whilst courageous people like Alan Henning get physically involved.

Yes, all these charity workers know the risk involved, but that fact only substantiates their courage in still doing what they thought was right and what their conscience decreed they should do.

They all leave behind grief-stricken family and friends, and I think your posts are disrespectful.

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Lostalex - save your cynical bile for the vile bastards who committed these despicable evil atrocities. There really is no need to disrespect the poor innocent victims. They weren't idiots, nor 'wannabe' Ernest Hemingways - they were decent, compassionate human beings who should put the rest of us to shame that we sit back and do nothing, or contribute money to salve our consciences when we see the innocents suffering, whilst courageous people like Alan Henning get physically involved.

Yes, all these charity workers know the risk involved, but that fact only substantiates their courage in still doing what they thought was right and what their conscience decreed they should do.

They all leave behind grief-stricken family and friends, and I think your posts are disrespectful.

But he is American
it another world over there

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I have read some really excellent posts from you TS but I cannot agree here.

'Collateral Damage' during any military offensive is always sad, but it is an unintentional and unavoidable consequence of war. These acts of atrocity are not 'war kills' and have nothing to do with war, and neither are they unintentional. They are the senseless, deliberate evil be-headings of innocent non-combatants by vile cowardly terrorists.

It's semantics really but murder is a legal definition of an unlawful killing (meaning it must be against the established law of the locale it's committed in). It's likely that these killings occur in ISIS controlled areas and therefore not technically "illegal".

But like I said, it's semantics, I don't really think that calling it "murder" makes it any more or less abhorrent... It's just a word. Just like calling a convicted murderer here a "killer" has no real bearing on their actual crimes or their severity.


As for your longer post - whilst I completely understand your anger and the sentiment - I have to disagree with your assertion that the right course of action is to carpet-bomb these areas out of existence with no regard for collateral damage. It would be disastrous, and it would not stop them, it would only make the beast stronger. That sort of action in that region, the family homes destroyed and dead children, will only serve to make people more easily radicalised and recruited into organisations like ISIS. These people do not have a country, they do not have a Base or headquarters, or one leader at the top that you can kill and say it's over (Bin Laden? That worked out well...)

There is nothing to wipe out. They will only arise somewhere else under a different names, with more jihadists than before, and more barbaric than ever. Unless you advocate burning the entire middle east, going in all guns blazing will only cause this to escalate. It will never end.

[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I don't believe that anyone can say with any certainty, just what they would do or say in the appalling circumstances which 'these hostages' have found themselves in - no matter how courageous one may believe he is.

Perhaps, the vile, inhuman bastards who are responsible, had promised poor Alan Henning that they would release him if he 'cooperated', who knows?

I only know one thing for certain; and that is that Alan Henning was a far more courageous person than the s**t ****** coward known as 'Jihadi John' could ever be.

In this one barbaric act alone, we have the underlying truth about this phoney 'war', for the all the world to see, it is not a 'Holy War', it is war waged by evil cowards against innocent victims:

On the one hand, we have Mr Henning, a kind, decent, compassionate British 47-year-old father-of-two, who - for the noblest of motives - voluntarily gave up his comfortable, safe life in this civilised, democratic and free country, leaving his family and loved ones behind in the process, to travel to a backward and dangerous, war-torn, foreign country, to carry out humanitarian works on behalf of a Muslim Charity.

Mr Henning did not assume any disguise or conceal his name or identity, and his charitable actions whilst there, were as open as his motives for being there.

Then, we have the appalling coward 'Jihadi John'. This abhorrent Muslim fanatic and everything about him, epitomises the word; 'coward':

Whether he was born in Britain is irrelevant. The facts that this pariah is no teenager and that he speaks with a 'thick London accent' substantiates that he was raised in Britain.

So here we have this 'devoted', 'devout' Muslim voluntarily giving up his comfortable, safe life in the civilised, democratic and free country, which embraced his immigrant parents and/or him, to travel to a backward and dangerous, war-torn, foreign country. For what reason? --

Unlike the selfless, compassionate Alan Henning, this evil bastard does not travel there to help fellow suffering humans. Unlike the heroic and courageous Alan Henning, this vile, yellow jackal disguise himself, hides his face, and conceals his identity.

Unlike the caring, charitable Alan Henning, there are no photos of this demented demon giving succour to innocent babies, no evidence of him bending his spineless back and investing physical labour in administering aid to victims of all faiths - Muslims included.

No - this monster has travelled there purely so that he can capitalise on the lawless conditions and freely perpetrate evil without recrimination. This beast is the ultimate COWARD. He was as evil whilst living in London as he is now, and would have perpetrated in London the same atrocities which he does now, but in Britain, we have Law and Order, and in Britain, this despicable, spineless, cowardly, dung beetle would have been caught and made to pay for his barbarism, and he is too much of a yellow bastard to risk that.

Make no mistake; this monster - and all monsters like him - are ultimate COWARDS.

Even far removed as he is from Western Law, he is so utterly TERRIFIED of being identified, that he swathes himself like an Egyptian mummy so that only his evil eyes are showing.

Is it 'heroic' to abduct a peace-loving, 47 year old father of two at gunpoint? Is it 'brave' to tower over him whilst wielding a razor sharp knife and whilst he is already subdued, outnumbered, and bound ? Is it 'valiant' to end a bound, helpless, outnumbered and innocent man's life in such a barbaric fashion? -- No, they are all acts of ultimate COWARDICE.

As I have said in another post, this monster is no 'Holy Warrior' fighting for 'Allah' or for Muslims. He is an evil, cowardly demon using the pretext of fighting for Allah and Muslims in order to be able to carry out the satanic atrocities which are his 'raison d'etre'.

Do we see any eulogies from other Muslims for 'Jihadi John''s works as we do for Alan Henning's? No, only worldwide condemnation. Because even Muslim's KNOW that these monsters who masquerade as 'Allah's Warriors' are but evil, sick sadists who are not carrying out 'God's' works, only their own.

In respect for Alan Henning, and all the other innocent victims of these cowardly fanatics, the British people - of all faiths - and the British Government, should ensure now, that their savage deaths have not been in vain. We need to learn from them and act accordingly.

The actions that need to be taken are twofold.

Seek and Destroy

We must eradicate - once and for all - these monsters. It is time for the 'Iron Fist In The Iron Glove'. Nothing but total annihilation will suffice. We must saturation bomb these bastards, destroy every last refuge where these bastard cowards can hide. Forget 'collateral damage'. It is unavoidable. Then we must send in ground troops and utilise all the technology at our disposal to 'mop up' every last one of these cockroaches.

We do not want prisoners. We should exercise a shoot to kill policy. We do not need 'Nuremberg' style bull**** trials. We need dead enemies. Enemies who cannot ever carry out such atrocities again.

After we have won the war, we must 'Win The Peace'. No matter what the financial cost is, we need to establish a military presence. No matter how long for, we must maintain that presence, not as an 'occupying army' but as 'policemen' to monitor developments, help stabilise the country. This can only work with a massive rebuilding scheme and improvements in education, healthcare etc. and with the cooperation of other Muslim countries.

Domestic Policies

At home, The time is now long overdue to face certain facts - no matter how unpalatable that prospect is. We need to re-evaluate our policies on immigration and Law and Order. *******K the EU.

We have been sending 19 year old boys to fight and die on foreign soil in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. against Islamic terrorist enemies, whilst at the same time, we are OPENLY welcoming increasing numbers of immigrants/'asylum seekers' from Muslim countries, without any real vetting process in place.

The irony here is a bitter one; the majority of these immigrants are young male Muslims - Eastern European included - who have a sneering contempt for the British and our way of life (whilst being only too willing to profit under the benefits of the same).

Hence, there is an ever expanding seedbed of Muslim males which already ensconced Muslim hate mongers can cultivate. Some percentage of these 'recruits' will have the evil disposition necessary to become fully fledged 'Jihadi Johns' once given the training and means.

Thus, while our young men are being maimed or killed whilst fighting Islam terrorists and trying to eradicate them, our Government is wholly culpable in ensuring that there are other Islam Terrorists to replace those killed.

It is particularly galling that the taxes of hard-working British people are going to these parasites in benefit, housing benefits and council tax rebates, while they gather in council houses or flats plotting the destruction of the very people whose way of life is sustaining them.

Can anyone say with certainty that 'Jihad John' was not one of the above beneficiaries of the above?

In my opinion;

We need to reduce all immigration.
Implement more rigorous immigration vetting procedures.
Revoke the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 and reinstate Capital Punishment for crimes of Treason.
Reduce the handouts to immigrants and invest the money saved by increasing our Security and Intelligence Services budgets.

No more Anjem Choudary's, Mizanur Rahman's or Abu Hamza al-Masri's - only their now harmless corpses. No more expense to the tax-payer of the cost of incarceration and lengthy B.S. trials either.

Do not worry about the risk of making 'Martyrs' by the above action - it is propaganda and a fallacy. Who among you remember Bobby Sands?

No -- I didn't think so.

I have always maintained that only 3 things can control a human being; Love, Respect and Fear.

Imagine you are 12 years old and your Father is a physically huge, but loving, kind, moral and considerate man - a good parent. Let's say he detests smoking. As you grow, you - foolishly - become a smoker. One day you go to visit your parents, have Sunday lunch, and are used to having a satisfying after dinner smoke. Your father is now old and frail and wheelchair bound. Do you light up that much needed cigarette? No, of course you don't because you love your father and respect him.

Now let's imagine the same scenario but your father was a drunken violent brute who abused you and your mother. Your father is now old and frail and wheelchair bound. Would you still shirk from lighting up that cigarette? You don't love your father. Don't respect him and no longer fear him.

If you still wouldn't light up, then that's because of your own in-built moral code - not because of of any fear of consequence.

And that is what I mean by only Love, Respect and Fear as being the only 3 factors necessary to control the human being.

This truth is only too evident in our society today. The degeneration of the 'family unit' where good parents rear their children correctly has wrought generation after generation of children who have not been taught by parents the meaning of love or respect - either by example or instruction. Couple this with increasingly higher thresholds in perception of 'unacceptable' behaviour by police, and increasingly lenient sentencing by our law courts, and it is all too easy to see why such lawlessness and anti-social behaviour is now prevalent on our streets.

Youths do not love or respect the police, because they've never been taught to, and with little or no deterrents now, they certainly do not fear them.

Which is exactly the same with these cowardly barbaric Islamic hate-mongers. They do not LOVE us, they do not RESPECT us, and they do not FEAR us.

We can NEVER teach them to love or respect us, so these vile bastards MUST be made to FEAR us. There simply is no other way. They have to fear the CONSEQUENCES of their vile actions

They spout their treasonous bile because this is a democratic and free country where Free Speech is but only one of the liberties we are blessed with, yet would they be as brave or quick to speak if the mandatory sentence for such treason was death?

I'm sorry for the length of this post, but I make no apology for its content - no matter how extreme some may find it. I was moved to tears this morning reading about poor Alan Henning, as I have been recently by the Jamie Bulger documentary, and a couple of other matters, and I am both sickened and incensed by it all.

Great post, however, I don't believe in this case it will be effective to simply drop a nuke or equivalent in the area as it just won't end the problem.

The bombing runs at the moment do nothing more than restrict their progress in taking landmass and assets in the region. I believe the only true solution is to starve them of money and publicity which unfortunately does not provide the instant result everyone wants.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

They need to stop the families pleaing for the hostages release, they have no empathy or sympathy, they are not kind or caring, they have no morals, they feel no humanity towards the hostages, the pleas are just falling on deaf ears, and they're probably laughing at the British for reducing themselves to begging, one poster said that the hostages are as good as dead once captured, and this is true, we now need to blow these bastards into oblivion.

Agree with you Ruby, the family appeals have to stop, it puts the power totally in the hands of terrorists

[Kazanne]

Probably a weird question this but just what happens to their bodies,are they sent home?

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Probably a weird question this but just what happens to their bodies,are they sent home?

Probably just abandoned Kaz

How long until humans are microchipped at birth?

[Niamh.]

This is terrible, they really are worse than animals. This group seem to be the worst yet, they really need to be stopped